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It's a good job that Congress have been working out a compromise deal to address the border ... oh wait no, Trump just killed that effort so he could "solve it" after the election. rolleye
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(January 25th, 2024, 17:11)Dreylin Wrote: It's a good job that Congress have been working out a compromise deal to address the border ... oh wait no, Trump just killed that effort so he could "solve it" after the election. rolleye

Including things like having people apply for asylum outside the country, and then only let them in if it's approved. "Raising the bar to qualify for asylum, more expedited removal of some migrants from the interior, and a trigger that effectively closes down asylum seeking if border encounters climb too high" (and I'll be blunt - that last one is a problem for me, asylum is a human right that you don't get to discard when it's inconvenient).

If your problem is really "people aren't following the rules", then this idea makes sense.

If your problem is "I don't want more migrants (many of whom are coming from countries the US has helped destabilize)", then might I point you to the Statue of Liberty for a counter-argument?

And of course the GOP doesn't want to solve the problem, because politics is the only thing that matters. They'd rather make things worse when they think they can blame Biden for it.

https://newrepublic.com/article/178423/m...n-maga-low
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Trump is seeing this three moves ahead...once in charge he'll put a few poison pills in it, then blame Democrats when it fails to pass. Thus it will remain an ongoing source of motivation for his based to get out and vote. The last thing he needs is this to go away.

Darrell
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(January 25th, 2024, 17:11)Dreylin Wrote: It's a good job that Congress have been working out a compromise deal to address the border ... oh wait no, Trump just killed that effort so he could "solve it" after the election. rolleye

I imagine Trump and the others see his election as the only real solution to the problem, as an administration that engages in mafioso behavior of shuttling migrants around is unlikely to negotiate in good faith.
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(January 25th, 2024, 19:00)greenline Wrote:
(January 25th, 2024, 17:11)Dreylin Wrote: It's a good job that Congress have been working out a compromise deal to address the border ... oh wait no, Trump just killed that effort so he could "solve it" after the election. rolleye

I imagine Trump and the others see his election as the only real solution to the problem, as an administration that engages in mafioso behavior of shuttling migrants around is unlikely to negotiate in good faith.

Hmmm, isn't that exactly what DeSantis & Abbott are doing?
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(January 25th, 2024, 18:12)darrelljs Wrote: Trump is seeing this three moves ahead...once in charge he'll put a few poison pills in it, then blame Democrats when it fails to pass.  Thus it will remain an ongoing source of motivation for his based to get out and vote.  The last thing he needs is this to go away.

Darrell

You really think a man who spend his New Hampshire victory speech railing against his opponent for not immediately bowing out is thinking 3 moves ahead?
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(January 25th, 2024, 20:38)Dreylin Wrote: Hmmm, isn't that exactly what DeSantis & Abbott are doing?

Considering that they are trying to keep them out, I wouldn't put it on the same level. If the federal government simply steps aside and lets Texas put up razor wire, there isn't a problem - no one has to put up with housing migrants they don't want. That the federal government insists the border stay open, but insists that only certain states must bear the burden, makes them look like a bunch of nasty criminals.
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(January 25th, 2024, 20:45)greenline Wrote:
(January 25th, 2024, 20:38)Dreylin Wrote: Hmmm, isn't that exactly what DeSantis & Abbott are doing?

Considering that they are trying to keep them out, I wouldn't put it on the same level. If the federal government simply steps aside and lets Texas put up razor wire, there isn't a problem - no one has to put up with housing migrants they don't want. That the federal government insists the border stay open, but insists that only certain states must bear the burden, makes them look like a bunch of nasty criminals.

If it was as simple a problem to solve as putting up a barrier, then surely Trump's wall would have fixed everything. Razor wire isn't going to stop migrants from trying to come into the US any more than that performative farce did.
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If this razor wire is entirely ineffective and pointless, why is the federal government in such a hurry to tear it down, again?
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(January 25th, 2024, 20:57)greenline Wrote: If this razor wire is entirely ineffective and pointless, why is the federal government in such a hurry to tear it down, again?

Because it's literally getting people killed in the Rio Grande.
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