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still a HUGE amount of posting going on in the lurker thread..... at first i assumed it was everyone taking their turn to call me a feckless idiot and demand a concession, but now i'm not so sure.... i do not think everyone would be posting, some multiple times, about a position that has ubiquitous agreement and about which there is no doubt. but then what? don't tell me they actually have contrasting evaluations of the gamestate.....
oh.... well, that changes things. that heavily, heavily changes things in a nauf-stab-favoring way. 10 turns of enforced peace until t293 is an eternity and means india can't vulture territory from us, all they can do is attack our stacks as we try to move in. and we could even forestall that with a cow deal which you'd think india would be incentivized to take from this position. in a 1v1 with nauf, with complete control of the skies and seas (no combustion yet for america) and no prospect of indian intervention, i think we can easily devour nauf in less than 10 turns. that will take us to 70 cities and re-equalize the territorial question, and give us a path to domination through civac such that we could, in theory, outrace an indian culture win without even having to fight them. assuming everything goes perfectly on that front, of course...
if it's just a 2v1, this "coalition" is probably doomed. nauf might not think it matters what they do but with infantry drafting available, a good number of them already on the books, and just the sheer fact of them holding TERRITORY and tying down a front that mjmd has to commit to, i think it does. we need the rest of the continent united against india to beat them i think, and if nauf will not help, well, their land is going to have to
we also haven't cowed them in quite some time now (last one lapsed on 276) and all our recent diplo has involved us joining their war with india, so if they are not at war with india i'm not sure i even consider it a stab - if someone says they'll join you in war in 7 turns, and then you peace out of that war, i kinda think all bets are off at that point, right...?
and of course the great artist is telling about how this might end
i THINK they are still far enough from culture that they can't just respond to us cowing by turning on the slider and win that way.
even with the statue and reps, we have flushed our economy sufficiently far down the tubes with all the minincing that the capital has to run research for a turn to get radio tech in time.... still, it's just one city. every other city that matters can be on fighters, ready to overflow into bombers in furtherance of our hideous purpose (whichever that turns out to be.....)
indian megafleet moving forward too! :O and i spotted some transports moving west from former SD. so apparently the next move for india looks like an overseas invasion of civac from around the world, which juuuust might give us an opening to pull this off, assuming civac's rage is not so great at our defection to get them to launch a punitive attack on us while being conquered
nauf has logged in too.... ok, this i don't like. what am i supposed to do here? if i wanted to attack them next turn, i have ostensibly claimed the first half of the timer by logging in first, but if they log in WHILE i'm playing my turn it's a double-move to go before them next round and attack..... well, i guess it's not a disaster to have to play second in such a war but it would be annoying lol
thought of a really stupid idea.... it's worth 12 culture for the ankyra border war, and we could spread cereal here for some endless drafting action..... this one might be TOO stupid though lol (although it can draft like every 3 turns with cereal which is quite good!)
a tactical nuke has us in its sights at herring.... although, can it hit work ethic from there? it's 4 tiles away by euclidean distance, but not in terms of the distance by which air unit ranges are calculated, so it's a little unclear....? i'll have to sim ig. even if it can they actually lack the 2-movers to take it after just one nuke
SD peace deal ends next turn, and i think i have to redeclare..... can't let them snipe some of our shit with a commando group. but then we'd have to STAY at war with them bc the endpoint of a nauf attack is SD's last two cities...... bluhh
todo cows, sim tacnuke range
posting so that if anyone wants to BEG me not to switch targets they can do so. but i think this is it - one defection is enough that we can no longer beat india. but at the same time, i think peacing out with nauf was pretty meaningfully a mistake from india - now we have a window! with 22 more of our own cities we could match india even post-SD conquests coming online. and in the meantime their plan is what, an across-the-world invasion of the ottomans? it could work, for sure, but it's not like they're holding territory over there, and if america is ours and ottomans are a smoking ruin that we can resettle, i think we have a real shot of hitting the formal domination requirements
of course if india won't cow us that calculus totally changes. but i think they probably should..... after all, it is literally true that if they don't, we will attack THEM instead. so uh.... if they don't want that, they'd better take it
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still a HUGE amount of posting going on in the lurker thread..... at first i assumed it was everyone taking their turn to call me a feckless idiot and demand a concession, but now i'm not so sure.... i do not think everyone would be posting, some multiple times, about a position that has ubiquitous agreement and about which there is no doubt. but then what? don't tell me they actually have contrasting evaluations of the gamestate.....
oh.... well, that changes things. that heavily, heavily changes things in a nauf-stab-favoring way. 10 turns of enforced peace until t293 is an eternity and means india can't vulture territory from us, all they can do is attack our stacks as we try to move in. and we could even forestall that with a cow deal which you'd think india would be incentivized to take from this position. in a 1v1 with nauf, with complete control of the skies and seas (no combustion yet for america) and no prospect of indian intervention, i think we can easily devour nauf in less than 10 turns. that will take us to 70 cities and re-equalize the territorial question, and give us a path to domination through civac such that we could, in theory, outrace an indian culture win without even having to fight them. assuming everything goes perfectly on that front, of course...
if it's just a 2v1, this "coalition" is probably doomed. nauf might not think it matters what they do but with infantry drafting available, a good number of them already on the books, and just the sheer fact of them holding TERRITORY and tying down a front that mjmd has to commit to, i think it does. we need the rest of the continent united against india to beat them i think, and if nauf will not help, well, their land is going to have to
we also haven't cowed them in quite some time now (last one lapsed on 276) and all our recent diplo has involved us joining their war with india, so if they are not at war with india i'm not sure i even consider it a stab - if someone says they'll join you in war in 7 turns, and then you peace out of that war, i kinda think all bets are off at that point, right...?and of course the great artist is telling about how this might end
i THINK they are still far enough from culture that they can't just respond to us cowing by turning on the slider and win that way.
even with the statue and reps, we have flushed our economy sufficiently far down the tubes with all the minincing that the capital has to run research for a turn to get radio tech in time.... still, it's just one city. every other city that matters can be on fighters, ready to overflow into bombers in furtherance of our hideous purpose (whichever that turns out to be.....)
indian megafleet moving forward too! :O and i spotted some transports moving west from former SD. so apparently the next move for india looks like an overseas invasion of civac from around the world, which juuuust might give us an opening to pull this off, assuming civac's rage is not so great at our defection to get them to launch a punitive attack on us while being conquered
nauf has logged in too.... ok, this i don't like. what am i supposed to do here? if i wanted to attack them next turn, i have ostensibly claimed the first half of the timer by logging in first, but if they log in WHILE i'm playing my turn it's a double-move to go before them next round and attack..... well, i guess it's not a disaster to have to play second in such a war but it would be annoying lol
thought of a really stupid idea.... it's worth 12 culture for the ankyra border war, and we could spread cereal here for some endless drafting action..... this one might be TOO stupid though lol (although it can draft like every 3 turns with cereal which is quite good!)
a tactical nuke has us in its sights at herring.... although, can it hit work ethic from there? it's 4 tiles away by euclidean distance, but not in terms of the distance by which air unit ranges are calculated, so it's a little unclear....? i'll have to sim ig. even if it can they actually lack the 2-movers to take it after just one nuke
SD peace deal ends next turn, and i think i have to redeclare..... can't let them snipe some of our shit with a commando group. but then we'd have to STAY at war with them bc the endpoint of a nauf attack is SD's last two cities...... bluhh
todo cows, sim tacnuke range
posting so that if anyone wants to BEG me not to switch targets they can do so. but i think this is it - one defection is enough that we can no longer beat india. but at the same time, i think peacing out with nauf was pretty meaningfully a mistake from india - now we have a window! with 22 more of our own cities we could match india even post-SD conquests coming online. and in the meantime their plan is what, an across-the-world invasion of the ottomans? it could work, for sure, but it's not like they're holding territory over there, and if america is ours and ottomans are a smoking ruin that we can resettle, i think we have a real shot of hitting the formal domination requirements
of course if india won't cow us that calculus totally changes. but i think they probably should..... after all, it is literally true that if they don't, we will attack THEM instead. so uh.... if they don't want that, they'd better take it
plus frankly, if we attack nauf and civac collapses in a 1v1 with india at the speed with which i expect, we probably need to fight them sooner than 10t from now anyways for vulturing purposes. that land area percentage aint going to inflate itself yknow
