American Politics Discussion Thread

[Charr Babies]

Also, @ Charr I thought we wouldn't hear from you if we didn't say anything, yet your last two posts weren't responding to anything. I WAS LIED TO!

You should quit twisting facts and putting words in people's mouths. It damages your trustworthiness, not that you had a stellar reputation to begin with...

What I always say.

Keep it honest, and you will rarely hear from me.

You can point out that Trump has promised political prosecution, 

Trump is not a new thing, biden knew this when he lied to us. Besides, Hunter pleaded guilty to all charges.

I WAS LIED TO!

 How is that playing-the-victim-card working!? So many logical fallacies in one short little reply

You are so full of SH!T trying to turn this into a trump thing. This is about biden, this is about the us of a.

[Mjmd]

I guess it depends what your definition of rarely is. Is it once a month? Once every quarter? I visit my family in Nebraska "rarely" and that is once every couple years. I guess once a month is probably rarely.

Well if Harris won he wouldn't have to worry about Trump promising political prosecutions. Liz Cheney probably isn't being threatened on national TV by the incoming president in that scenario.

Oh I agree we are in a shit place. What do you do when the incoming president promises to prosecute his "enemies"? You can blame Biden for many things, and yes this one ya its still wrong (again its not AS bad by a long shot, but it is bad I already admitted that), but then again I'm not the one in the crosshairs so its easier to say from the outside.

[Charr Babies]

I guess it depends what your definition of rarely is. Is it once a month? Once every quarter? I visit my family in Nebraska "rarely" and that is once every couple years. I guess once a month is probably rarely.

 WEAK!
Still far from the lie "never" "I WAS LIED TO!" that you tried to twist it into

Well if Harris won he wouldn't have to worry about Trump promising political prosecutions. Liz Cheney probably isn't being threatened on national TV by the incoming president in that scenario.

Oh I agree we are in a shit place. What do you do when the incoming president promises to prosecute his "enemies"? You can blame Biden for many things, and yes this one ya its still wrong (again its not AS bad by a long shot, but it is bad I already admitted that), but then again I'm not the one in the crosshairs so its easier to say from the outside.

Let me pull a Mjmd on you 

Straw Man Fallacy: The argument misrepresents the opposing position by suggesting that if Harris won, there wouldn't be any threats or political prosecutions, which oversimplifies and distorts the actual situation.

False Dilemma: It presents a situation as having only two alternatives (Harris winning vs. Trump promising political prosecutions), ignoring other possible outcomes or solutions.

Appeal to Emotion: The statement uses emotionally charged language to provoke an emotional response rather than a rational discussion.

Ad Hominem: The argument attacks Trump personally by blaming him for the situation, rather than addressing the actual issue at hand. That Biden lied, that hunter is guilty; and preemptively pardoned (not just hunter but the entire cast) for crimes he may commit in the future (at the time of the pardon). 

[Mjmd]

Well when you are the only one initiating posts it doesn't feel like rarely. But I guess time wise it was. On this I was wrong. In my defense I'm an accountant so monthly to me is "normal tasks", but that doesn't mean everyone thinks that way. 

Lets go through your list:

- this is not a straw man. Trump HAS threatened. We don't know what Harris would have done, but she didn't during the campaign and Trump both did during and NOW after. I can't prove Harris wouldn't have, as I can't prove non existence. But I think its logical to say Biden wouldn't need to do preemptive pardons of people Trump is threatening if she had. I don't think this is false dilema, I think this is just simple logic. One person IS doing something and therefore there is a reaction. I only brought up Harris winning because then Trump threatening WOULDN'T MATTER. IE I'm not presenting a false dilemma, I'm just pointing out the obvious. In any case the fact the incoming president has threatened people seems VERY relevant to the conversation of pardons so it is not a straw man. Its a central part of why you might do preemptive pardons. IE the incoming president HAS threatened. What do you do in response? 

- Again, I agreed it was bad in a vacuum. But people aren't emotionless logic machines. If someone does something bad because they are greedy bastards vs a loving father, its still bad, but you can understand the one impulse better than the other. He shouldn't have, I wish he hadn't, but I don't know how much I can blame him for it. You can hold two thoughts in your head at once. IE you can understand its not the right thing to do, but also have empathy for the situation. There are people on the internets that completely excuse what he did because of emotion, and that is wrong. So is it an appeal to emotion, yes, but with the caveat I already admitted it was wrong. Just like I admitted Tu quo queue also isn't a valid defense here. IE Trump did way worse pardons, so its fine what Biden did / he has the right to do them. This isn't true. They are both still bad. However, they aren't equal and while bad, I can emotionally understand. Again, not logically, you are correct and I admitted that from the get go.

- I mean again, he is threatening his political opponents. So yes for Hunter, he committed the crimes he was charged with, even if in the vast majority of cases those crimes aren't prosecuted to this level. Again, it was still wrong. However, as far as any preemptive pardons issued that would be impacted by Trump. Its a statement of fact; he has threatened his political opponents. I'm not insulting him. I am literally just analyzing a situation based on multiple statements he has made. Not ad hominem. Now if he HADN'T made those statements and I just thought he was a bad person, then yes there would be a longer walk or it would be ad hominem. However, he has and there was no insult. 

So lets go through of the 4 logical fallacies you stated, you got 1/4 correct. Even that 1 you ignored that I did in fact state it was still the wrong thing to do.

[Charr Babies]

Lets go through your list:

- this is not a straw man. Trump HAS threatened. We don't know what Harris would have done, but she didn't during the campaign and Trump both did during and NOW after. I can't prove Harris wouldn't have, as I can't prove non existence. But I think its logical to say Biden wouldn't need to do preemptive pardons of people Trump is threatening if she had. I don't think this is false dilema, I think this is just simple logic. One person IS doing something and therefore there is a reaction. I only brought up Harris winning because then Trump threatening WOULDN'T MATTER. IE I'm not presenting a false dilemma, I'm just pointing out the obvious. In any case the fact the incoming president has threatened people seems VERY relevant to the conversation of pardons so it is not a straw man. Its a central part of why you might do preemptive pardons. IE the incoming president HAS threatened. What do you do in response? 

- Again, I agreed it was bad in a vacuum. But people aren't emotionless logic machines. If someone does something bad because they are greedy bastards vs a loving father, its still bad, but you can understand the one impulse better than the other. He shouldn't have, I wish he hadn't, but I don't know how much I can blame him for it. You can hold two thoughts in your head at once. IE you can understand its not the right thing to do, but also have empathy for the situation. There are people on the internets that completely excuse what he did because of emotion, and that is wrong. So is it an appeal to emotion, yes, but with the caveat I already admitted it was wrong. Just like I admitted Tu quo queue also isn't a valid defense here. IE Trump did way worse pardons, so its fine what Biden did / he has the right to do them. This isn't true. They are both still bad. However, they aren't equal and while bad, I can emotionally understand. Again, not logically, you are correct and I admitted that from the get go.

- I mean again, he is threatening his political opponents. So yes for Hunter, he committed the crimes he was charged with, even if in the vast majority of cases those crimes aren't prosecuted to this level. Again, it was still wrong. However, as far as any preemptive pardons issued that would be impacted by Trump. Its a statement of fact; he has threatened his political opponents. I'm not insulting him. I am literally just analyzing a situation based on multiple statements he has made. Not ad hominem. Now if he HADN'T made those statements and I just thought he was a bad person, then yes there would be a longer walk or it would be ad hominem. However, he has and there was no insult. 

Trump's threats are nothing new. Biden knew before he lied to the world back in June.

There was no need for your unconvincing defenses. TL;DR
All I did was to search for the word trump and it appears in every one of your excuses. 
This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions. 

And all you do is try to bring up trump to excuse biden.

... you ignored that I did in fact state it was still the wrong thing to do.

The right thing to do would have been to leave it at that if you were being honest. Instead, you used it as a precursor to justify the fallacies you knew you were about to present.

[Mjmd]

I find that the people who bring up what Biden did want to excuse what Trump did / will do. I don't remember you coming in here when Trump did all his shady pardons for example. You only came to say it about Biden, how curious. When Trump does his Jan 6 pardons I expect you in here decrying the same. I'm waiting with baited breath for when Trump takes office and you start pointing out everything bad Trump does. As long as that is clear I'm good. Yes Biden shouldn't have done.

Do you think he should do preemptive pardons to the likes of Liz Cheney? She hasn't done anything illegal (that we know of), but Trump is threatening based on her actions investigating you know his attempt to overturn an election. This is a separate issue from his Hunter pardon. You seem to be decrying pardons to people Trump has threatened and there is a case to be made these should be done. There is no legal reason for Trump to go after these people, but he has promised to do so. Its uncharted ground. Let Trump target innocent people or issue pardons that aren't legally needed and make things look shady. You are probably supposed to let Trump target innocent people, but both options seem bad to me.

[Charr Babies]

I find that the people who bring up what Biden did want to excuse what Trump did / will do. I don't remember you coming in here when Trump did all his shady pardons for example. You only came to say it about Biden, how curious. When Trump does his Jan 6 pardons I expect you in here decrying the same. I'm waiting with baited breath for when Trump takes office and you start pointing out everything bad Trump does. As long as that is clear I'm good. Yes Biden shouldn't have done.

Do you think he should do preemptive pardons to the likes of Liz Cheney? She hasn't done anything illegal (that we know of), but Trump is threatening based on her actions investigating you know his attempt to overturn an election. This is a separate issue from his Hunter pardon. You seem to be decrying pardons to people Trump has threatened and there is a case to be made these should be done. There is no legal reason for Trump to go after these people, but he has promised to do so. Its uncharted ground. Let Trump target innocent people or issue pardons that aren't legally needed and make things look shady. You are probably supposed to let Trump target innocent people, but both options seem bad to me.

There you go lying again. There is no shortage of me saying trump (among other things) is a PoS. 

 still trying to make it a trump thing 

This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions.

That is your biggest blunder, your blinder is that you have to defend the dems no matter what, is what make you so full of it and hypocritical. I don't have to defend anyone and I can call their bs when I see fit. Our biggest difference is I am free thinker.

Oh please reply with more about trump 

[Mjmd]

I know you've posted so many things criticizing his cabinet picks or statements since he became president elect!!! (wait wait, there are 0 posts). Maybe you are waiting for him to become president. I suspect "rarely" will get a lot rarer then.

We are going to have Republicans and other saying this pardon gives Trump full reign to do "x" thing. It doesn't. As long as you weren't trying to say that, I think we are at least in the same book, if not the same page.

[Boro]

Dad bails out his son. Nothing to see here.

[Charr Babies]

Guess the rule of law thing was just election posturing?

Dad bails out his son. Nothing to see here.

You were just trolling then? Oh right, you are one of the resident troll...

It's not so much about saving the son as it is about lying to the world and pretending to be a saint. It didn't surprise me; it's just another day in U.S. politics, after all. It was actually funny to see all the Democrats who were singing praises backpedaling like Mjmd is doing here 

I know you've posted so many things criticizing his cabinet picks or statements since he became president elect!!! (wait wait, there are 0 posts). Maybe you are waiting for him to become president. I suspect "rarely" will get a lot rarer then.
We are going to have Republicans and other saying this pardon gives Trump full reign to do "x" thing. It doesn't. As long as you weren't trying to say that, I think we are at least in the same book, if not the same page.

Always the liar.

I know! First we do genocide, and now trump 
God Bless America

You are so desperate, grasping at straws again. FFS! How obtuse are you? Let me repeat...

This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions.

It is not about trump. And, definitely not about me. 
No wonder why they call you nuts.