American Politics Discussion Thread

[Mjmd]

Oh I know Biden isn't a saint, he is a politician after all.

See you troll so much that random statements like that I don't take seriously.

I believe "YOU" call me nuts. Because you know you can't go 3 posts in a row without insulting someone.

[Charr Babies]

Oh I know Biden isn't a saint, he is a politician after all.

See you troll so much that random statements like that I don't take seriously.

I believe "YOU" call me nuts. Because you know you can't go 3 posts in a row without insulting someone.

That's fine, no need to lie, blame trump and me and try to excuse the guy. I know, I know, you always have to have the last word.

And it's not insulting to call me a troll!? I didn't call you nuts, I only acknowledged "No wonder why they call you nuts."

Remember we were counting?
2 trolls
2 nuts
1 idiot

[Mjmd]

I consider it making sure people know the far lesser of two evils. How politics should be viewed. I find the equality fallacy is commonly missed. IE someone will point out only a bad thing on one side, then not mention multiple on another. They will try to make that one bad thing sound as bad as many others. For instance, yes the Biden pardon is bad, but it is one example vs how many at least as bad pardons Trump issued that I don't remember you commenting on at the time. Now he has more time to issue sketchy pardons to catch up of course, but then Trump will get to issue more to so we go off current balance. Of course the ideal is no sketchy pardons, but we don't get that choice.

I mean its your signature. And I only point it out once every 20 posts vs you insulting me every 2 or 3. And yes saying that TOTALLY ISN'T the same thing as calling me nuts. Talk about my word play then you try passing that off.

I do look forward to you keeping your fair and balanced critiques going once Trump becomes president.

[Charr Babies]

I consider it making sure people know the far lesser of two evils. How politics should be viewed. I find the equality fallacy is commonly missed. IE someone will point out only a bad thing on one side, then not mention multiple on another. They will try to make that one bad thing sound as bad as many others. For instance, yes the Biden pardon is bad, but it is one example vs how many at least as bad pardons Trump issued that I don't remember you commenting on at the time. Now he has more time to issue sketchy pardons to catch up of course, but then Trump will get to issue more to so we go off current balance. Of course the ideal is no sketchy pardons, but we don't get that choice.

I mean its your signature. And I only point it out once every 20 posts vs you insulting me every 2 or 3. And yes saying that TOTALLY ISN'T the same thing as calling me nuts. Talk about my word play then you try passing that off.

I do look forward to you keeping your fair and balanced critiques going once Trump becomes president.

Let me pull another Mjmd logical fallacy on you again:
False Equivalence: It suggests that the actions of Biden and Trump are equally bad without considering the context or scale of their actions.

Whataboutism: It deflects criticism of one person by pointing out the faults of another, rather than addressing the original issue.

Appeal to Hypocrisy (Tu Quoque): It argues that because one person did something wrong, it excuses or diminishes the wrongdoing of another.

False Dilemma: It implies that the only choices are between two equally bad options, ignoring other possibilities.

What happens when you over-reach to try to defend a weak stance no matter what. Take a deep breath, relax and refocus. Don't go nuts.

I mean its your signature. And I only point it out once every 20 posts vs you insulting me every 2 or 3

And yes, I made that signature after you called me a troll, instead of playing the victim and crying that I was insulted. :cough: :cough"

First of all, I wasn't participating in this forum when trump did whatever you said he did. So let me issue a retroactive apology for not dissing trump when he did all those shitty things. He is guilty as you charged. He was and is a PoS. Is this enough to address your issue? I am so sorry for not being here earlier. Please tell me how I can make this more clear to you. Would a cartoon help?

[Mjmd]

Yes, the scale of Trumps was much greater, that was my argument.

I admitted Bidens was bad. I just rarely see you pointing out Trump or Republican criticism. Again, I don't generally start post conversations here (although I reserve the right to). I could constantly say "Trump bad", but I don't (and neither do you). He makes a stupid statement or cabinet pick daily (with a couple exceptions). I just want to make sure that people aren't equaling "Biden bad" to "Trump better". Even with Trump threatening political prosecution, yes preemptive pardons are probably bad, but as you said context is important for how bad, so I mention it. You did not mention this context originally or since.

No it doesn't. I think I've stated this almost every post. In my original post I went out of my way to point out that this exact fallacy doesn't excuse what he did. I didn't have to do this.

We have a two party system sadly. I mean we may end up with an autocracy with no choices, but hopefully we stay with at least two. I don't see it as a false dilemma atm though. You pick the lesser of the bad options. If there is another possibility let me know, but as we have two options atm I don't believe I'm in bad faith here.

It says you joined 2010, but it was probably a bad assumption that you had been active that whole time. My apologies.

[Charr Babies]

Yes, the scale of Trumps was much greater, that was my argument.

I admitted Bidens was bad. I just rarely see you pointing out Trump or Republican criticism. Again, I don't generally start post conversations here (although I reserve the right to). I could constantly say "Trump bad", but I don't (and neither do you). He makes a stupid statement or cabinet pick daily (with a couple exceptions). I just want to make sure that people aren't equaling "Biden bad" to "Trump better". Even with Trump threatening political prosecution, yes preemptive pardons are probably bad, but as you said context is important for how bad, so I mention it. You did not mention this context originally or since.

No it doesn't. I think I've stated this almost every post. In my original post I went out of my way to point out that this exact fallacy doesn't excuse what he did. I didn't have to do this.

We have a two party system sadly. I mean we may end up with an autocracy with no choices, but hopefully we stay with at least two. I don't see it as a false dilemma atm though. You pick the lesser of the bad options. If there is another possibility let me know, but as we have two options atm I don't believe I'm in bad faith here.

It says you joined 2010, but it was probably a bad assumption that you had been active that whole time. My apologies.

Whataboutism: It deflects criticism of one person by pointing out the faults of another, rather than addressing the original issue.

Appeal to Hypocrisy (Tu Quoque): It argues that because one person did something wrong, it excuses or diminishes the wrongdoing of another.

Enough RED HERRING already!

Again, you are still trying to make it a trump thing.  

This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions.

Your biggest "flaw" is that, despite of me having said I have no love for trump and that he's a PoS hundreds of times in the short time since I started posting here, you are still blind. Blinded to the fact that I am not pro trump. You have been barking up the wrong tree.

[Mjmd]

You didn't really address my points. You are just repeating yourself. Like come on I addressed voluntarily the the tu quo queue fallacy immediately before you even started responding. You don't acknowledge context I mention even when you yourself acknowledged context is important. You just ignore it. You accuse me of false dilemma then can't prove there is another option.

Again, I eagerly await your posts to turn to criticizing Trumps administration when he takes office. You can start sooner. You could have already. He is doing things like making statements and selecting cabinet and other officials.

[Charr Babies]

You didn't really address my points. You are just repeating yourself. Like come on I addressed voluntarily the the tu quo queue fallacy immediately before you even started responding. You don't acknowledge context I mention even when you yourself acknowledged context is important. You just ignore it. You accuse me of false dilemma then can't prove there is another option.

Again, I eagerly await your posts to turn to criticizing Trumps administration when he takes office. You can start sooner. You could have already. He is doing things like making statements and selecting cabinet and other officials.

You are like my kids when they were 3 and 5 years old. How come Mikey gets the pink dress? How come Sissy gets to go to the mall?

If you want to talk shit about trump then start a thread, I might or might not participate. 

That's right. I don't fall for your red herring. Again, I am not like that green guy who would let you troll all over the places to nowhere.
I give you no wiggle room to go off on a tangent. 

Again, you are still trying to make it a trump thing. 

This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions.

Your admittance/apology for biden is like
"I am so really really sorry I rape you. But the way you look and talk so sexy... Besides, I am hardly as bad as Epstein."

This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions.

It is not about trump, and definitely not about me.

I give you no wiggle room to go off on a tangent. And yet, you still managed to carry on trying to make it a trump thing for pages. 



Thank the Gods for cut and paste!

[Mjmd]

This is a good analogy. My daughter behaves better than my son so yes she tends to get more treats (extra scoop of ice scream because she behaved better during dinner ect) and earn less timeouts. She doesn't earn no timeouts, as she does occasionally does do bad things. So yes she does bad things, but no she isn't as bad either of my boys (especially my middle child). If I had to pick one of my children to behave (IE trust them alone for a sec ect), which one do I trust? I can admit my daughter does bad things. However, if I have to pick a child to trust I choose her. Just because she did a bad thing doesn't mean she is horrible or I should never trust her again. If I only told you the bad things my daughter did, you would think I shouldn't trust her. I'm not saying the good things she does. I'm not saying how my middle son did more and worse things. It gives you an incomplete picture.

This is a thread for ALL US politics. You can post here. You just typically don't on Trump unless I point out that you don't.

[Charr Babies]

This is a good analogy. My daughter behaves better than my son so yes she tends to get more treats (extra scoop of ice scream because she behaved better during dinner ect) and earn less timeouts. She doesn't earn no timeouts, as she does occasionally does do bad things. So yes she does bad things, but no she isn't as bad either of my boys (especially my middle child). If I had to pick one of my children to behave (IE trust them alone for a sec ect), which one do I trust? I can admit my daughter does bad things. However, if I have to pick a child to trust I choose her. Just because she did a bad thing doesn't mean she is horrible or I should never trust her again. If I only told you the bad things my daughter did, you would think I shouldn't trust her. I'm not saying the good things she does. I'm not saying how my middle son did more and worse things. It gives you an incomplete picture.

This is a thread for ALL US politics. You can post here. You just typically don't on Trump unless I point out that you don't.

 biden just one bad thing!?   Just because I kill your whole family and every innocent countrymen of yours doesn't make me a bad person... 


 again, again and again 

This is about what biden did, not if it is better or worse than whoever the fuck you want to compare to. It is about the state of the us of a, a government that operates above the law, that is full of deceits and corruptions.


It is not about trump, and definitely not about me.

I give you no wiggle room to go off on a tangent. And yet, you still managed to carry on trying to make it a trump thing for pages. 



Thank the Gods for cut and paste!