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Epic 5, T-hawk's Report

http://www.dos486.com/civ4/epic5/

One shower of flowers and affection, please... smile
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A very happy welcome back to an old friend!flowerAnd only T-Hawk would play Epics debut games for both Civ3 and Civ4 on Emperor! lol

I was expecting someone to go the axe route with that western copper, and there will probably be a number of other games that follow similar paths. I was amused by many of the comments in the report as well (an Epic 22 reference, spearmen as attackers of all things, and the days of cavalry crushing all on the battlefield are gone). This is not Civ3 where a gigantic army of slave workers is the surest path to victory! wink But for a relatively new player, you certainly did a great job handling the economic situation. It looks like you were playing with fire for a long time, but - JUST - managed to avoid a collapse. I seem to have done things a bit differently in my game, and yours was quite a treat to read.

Is this the return of the Thunderhawk? I'd love to have you in a future succession game, if you should ever be interested. thumbsup
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T-hawk Wrote:One shower of flowers and affection, please... smile

Griselda stands ready to unleash the kissy women and flowers. :kisskiss: flower flower

I was glad to read that you found the game tense and exciting. As Sulla said, it would be good if this means that you're "back" and that you've made it past the burnout phase enough to enjoy some renewed Civving.

Some pretty good results there, too. thumbsup


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Good to see your report - I always enjoyed reading your Civ 3 reports. Seems like you and I had very similar games, though I did beat you by *1* turn :-). My economy seemed like it was slightly worse too - I topped off at -29 gpt.

One thing to note - horse archers don't receive defensive bonuses, so it wouldn't have mattered whether they had stayed in the cities vs. escorting weedy Greek settler builds
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Sullla Wrote:A very happy welcome back to an old friend!flower

Thanks! :D Although I really should be sending the thanks to you and Sirian. You guys stayed the course and built this wonderful game for the rest of us, while I was off playing Magic Online. smile


Quote:I was expecting someone to go the axe route with that western copper

Yep. Well, I only did that because I totally didn't realize that jaguars don't require any resource. I never even got Iron Working -- I didn't try because (I thought) it would've been a beaker black hole if we didn't turn out to have iron. Without jags ever appearing as a build option, I never thought to check on them in the civilopedia. crazyeye


Quote:Is this the return of the Thunderhawk? I'd love to have you in a future succession game, if you should ever be interested. thumbsup

Well, if anyone were to start up a fresh RB SG, I'd see if it met my fancy. smile (I was hoping Arathorn was still around too, but his SGs seem to have been idle the last few months.)
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Sirian Wrote:Griselda stands ready to unleash the kissy women

You keep them on a leash? eek lol


Quote:I was glad to read that you found the game tense and exciting. As Sulla said, it would be good if this means that you're "back" and that you've made it past the burnout phase enough to enjoy some renewed Civving.

At least in the short run, yes. It actually reminds me quite a lot of Alpha Centauri, which I absolutely loved... but I only really played about 10 games of that before I'd had enough. SMAC and Civ 4 both feel so *huge* that a single trip may suffice through each part of the game system. Civ 3's smaller game system actually encouraged me to push it to the limits more; for example, you may remember back when I was obsessed with 20k culture wins around when Conquests came out. I surely want to do a cultural victory in Civ 4 at least once, but likely won't care to push it to the extent that I did in Civ 3.

Or I may play Civ 4 even more than 3. Dunno yet.


regoarrarr Wrote:One thing to note - horse archers don't receive defensive bonuses, so it wouldn't have mattered whether they had stayed in the cities vs. escorting weedy Greek settler builds

It matters, because out in the open, an attacking spearman can get a clear shot with its +100% vs mounted units. In the city, another unit would defend if a spearman attempted to attack, meaning I'd have to go at the horse archer with an axeman.


Quote: My economy seemed like it was slightly worse too - I topped off at -29 gpt.

Yeah, mine stayed at -20 or so. I did build three cottages at the capital, which grew to villages by the end of the game.
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Nice game play and report. I enjoyed your 'learn by seat of pants' approach to various CIV4-centric items (healing with promotions, for one).
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I am impressed with your game outcome given the amount of experience you are confessing. Well, I wasn't there to see any of your glorious wins in civ3 days, but sure enough you'll get back to it fast with this pace eek
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Thanks, blid and Ruff. There'll be more where these came from. Adventure Nine closes in only 12 days. smile

If I could bring up one more topic about this game: I was really proud of my second city location. It could share the corn tile once the capital was done with it (leveled off at the happy cap), and also alternate between working the corn to accumulate surplus food and working the high-shield combination of hill + stone + plains forest. That got its barracks and axemen out really quickly. If the second city was built down on the lake as most players did, it'd take longer to get up to speed, have fewer powerful tiles once it did, and also cost more in distance maintenance.

Is there any compelling argument that I'm missing for building the city farther south?
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T-hawk Wrote:Is there any compelling argument that I'm missing for building the city farther south?

In this game with that variant no, so most people (me included) settled at the lake in the jungle out of habit. In general though you would of course always want to work that tile with you capital and go find a similarly good tile for second city to work and whip units/buildings out of the extra food(of course you know this so I am rambling). The point is- the habit of getting as many resouce in the BFC in each city as possible is what generated the smoke move of settling in the jungle.
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