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Okay, here we go! Unfortunately I was limited to 10 choices, so I couldn't put up e.g. pairings with Pacal. (The most obvious pairing of Pacal/India is likely to be impossible anyway.)
Please post below if you would like to vote for something not in this list. 
Only team members should vote - i.e. no global lurkers please.
Options are based on the separate polls for leader choice and civ choice, as well as the discussion in this thread.
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What about Huayna of Mali?
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No matter what, we can get a good FIN leader. Pacal, Willem, Huayna, Mansa, Vicky, Liz, Darius, maybe even Hannibal are all viable. So I think our first pick should be focused on getting a good civ.
From the civs in the poll...
India are good for the FW alone, but a Mysticism/Mining start seems very weak given what we know.
Khmer have a handy UB, the only team that can use elephants, and useful starting techs for the start. No other Hunting/Mining civ has anywhere near as useful Uniques. The only query in my mind is that Hunting is a cheap tech anyway, so we can easily research it.
Zulu are interesting. A nice bonus on the UB, a UU that gives completely different utility to the humble spear, and handy starting techs for the situation at hand. The more I think about it, the more I'm warming to them.
Egypt have great starting techs, a great UU and a UB that has its uses. Definitely worthy of consideration.
So, basically I'm thinking that the civ we pick should be able to improve the sheep asap, given its power for a FIN leader (5f3c). So we have to start with at least one of Hunting or Agriculture IMO. Hunting isn't necessarily a priority, we could have rice/wheat/corn in the fog. So, in addition to those mentioned, China, Inca, Ottomans and to a lesser extent Mongolia are the other civs worthy of consideration IMO.
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I tend to agree about this being a situation where picking civ first might be alright. There are plenty of Financial leaders, and although there's a slight dropoff in quality after Pacal/Willem/Huayna (IMHO), most of the rest are still pretty good. Fourth and fifth preference for me might be Mansa/Darius. Anyway, two economic traits will serve us well, whatever they happen to be.
I think Khmer would be a great civ choice because of (a) the starting techs, (b) the guaranteed 8 strength UU no-one else can get, and © the definite nearby Ivory for happiness (which hopefully doesn't come at the expense of better happiness resources).
Normally Hunting isn't a great starting tech, but because we know for sure that we'll be able to use it (for both Deer and the promised Ivory if we get Khmer), it becomes significantly better. Besides, it's only 28 beakers difference compared to starting with Agriculture. Yes, it would be a bummer if grain happened to pop up in our BFC, but I think it's better to plan based on what we can see rather than based on hopeful speculation. (And really, the start we can see is good enough on its own merits that I'd be surprised if it's been sweetened any further.)
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Looks like we'll be picking 4th and 7th, so we may have a reprieve. Can't say that's the best spot, but at least it means we're NOT last in the turn order anymore (instead we go second).
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As for snakepick - pick order :
1. Team Troll
2. Team Pirate
3. Team Gillette
4. Team Menagerie
5. TEAM
This will make turn order of
1. TEAM
2. Team Menagerie
3. Team Gillette
4. Team Pirate
5. Team Troll
For clarity I'm opening new thread for picks and for picks only. What's the bet someone else takes Khmer with one of the first three picks? (Bets also accepted on India, Inca, Pacal and Willem.)
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Lord Parkin Wrote:Looks like we'll be picking 4th and 7th, so we may have a reprieve. Can't say that's the best spot, but at least it means we're NOT last in the turn order anymore (instead we go second).
With only 5 teams it doesn't matter much what place we have in the snake. There are many great leaders. If one is unavailable we would take the other.
I think the draft goes something like that:
India
Pacal
Willem
Khmer being the black horse here :dancing5:
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Erm... okay. Apparently we aren't necessarily 4th. We get 4th pick of our position (1 through 5).
Man, this whole thing is needlessly convoluted. 
Assuming 1-10 and 5-6 get taken, what's our order of preference?
1-10 ...most preferred
5-6
4-7
2-9
3-8 ...least preferred?
Really I don't think it matters that much regardless. Wish we'd just get on with it. 
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Lord Parkin Wrote:Erm... okay. Apparently we aren't necessarily 4th. We get 4th pick of our position (1 through 5).
Man, this whole thing is needlessly convoluted.
Assuming 1-10 and 5-6 get taken, what's our order of preference?
1-10 ...most preferred
5-6
4-7
2-9
3-8 ...least preferred?
Really I don't think it matters that much regardless. Wish we'd just get on with it.
It depends what leader and civ do we want. But with Huayna or Ragnar we are safe even picking leader last. Most people regards Wilem, Pacal, Mansa, Darius, Elisabeth or non-financial Suryavarman as stronger here.
But if we want to pair Huayna with Inca, the higher spot the better.
Inca will not last long.
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I think we would not prefer 1-10, because the chances of interfearing with one of our combos is too large. Who would we pick first?
I would prefer 3-8 or 4-7, because there you are relatively sure of getting the civ+leader you want (or see if any other great option is left). Furthermore, we can then still have the option to choose Ragnar of Zulu, Huyana of Khmer/Inca or perhaps Pacal of India/Inca/someting else if other teams are thinking along the same lines as us.
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stonaq Wrote:I think we would not prefer 1-10, because the chances of interfearing with one of our combos is too large. Who would we pick first?
I would prefer 3-8 or 4-7, because there you are relatively sure of getting the civ+leader you want (or see if any other great option is left). Furthermore, we can then still have the option to choose Ragnar of Zulu, Huyana of Khmer/Inca or perhaps Pacal of India/Inca/someting else if other teams are thinking along the same lines as us.
Well 1-10 & 2-9 are now taken. I'm going to assume that Gillette will be taking 3-8. And that pretty much leaves us with 4-7, since I see NO benefit in us waiting for 5-6 before we make out pick. Better to have #4 than #5 as our first pick.
If Gillette makes their choice soon (which I believe they will), does anyone have any issues with me putting in our pick of 4-7? With LP's timezone, he won't be awake for at least a few more hours or so.
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