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So, Charlemagne of Mongolia.

Charlie is Protective and Imperialistic - in the base game, he's pretty bad. In this game, he's better. halfprice granaries and a small buff to imp hammers is helpful. Customs house is nice - apparently, in these mods, it's been changed to increase all trade routes, not just intercontinental foreign routes.

Mongolia is nice - Ger is an awesome war machine, making everything a 2 promo unit until gunpowder. Among other things, it means that you can create 2 move axesto escort your keshiks so you don't die on early attacks, and accuracy cats once you get construction.

Starts with hunting, which is now the most expensive 1st tier tech. Also, the wheel, so there's always something for a worker to do.

Imp/protective have a specific synergy, which is that you can pink dot people in relative safety - put a city on a hill and 2 protective archers in it and no one messes with you.

Lot's a of synergy - 1.5 war traits, with a war civ. But the wars gotta work or the snowball ends badly....

[AutomatedTeller]

Here's my problem with my pick - it has very strong synergy, but the synergy is so strong that there's a best way to play it - aggressively expand, pick up HBR and Aesthetics (for SoZ) and go kill people. And keep killing people through knights and curaissers.

And anyone near me knows it.

Which makes it less effective, because people can prepare. Also, I suck at early warfare - I almost never build enough units.

least I won't build as many chariots... that's worth something.

On the other hand, dropping a city in someones face with 3 CGIII archers in it on a hill is always a nice thing to do.

[Miguelito]

Doesn't Ger work only for mounted units?

[AutomatedTeller]

in base BTS, yes. In this mod, though, it does not.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=7703

Look under Civs and see:

Mongolia: Ger: Mongolia Unique Building: Stable replacement. +2XP to Melee, Archery, Siege. +4XP to mounted units. Cost 60 hammers. Requires Horseback Riding. Obsoletes at Advanced Flight. +100% production with Aggressive.

[AutomatedTeller]

ok - I'm going to stay with what I have.

Looking at the remaining civs

Cataphract is always interesting (Byz)
War chariot is now a bad UU, since it sucks vs archer.
Skirmisher and mint are ok
balista elephant is weird and the baray is expensive.
Holkan is nerfed and ballcourt isn't cheap for me.
Bowman is not really better than a protective archer
Oromo is interesting
I did Rome last game.
Portugal is too map dependent - also, the quay makes the feitoria redundant. If they both could exist together, it would be more interesting.

And Imp/protective is a pretty good expansion - cheap settlers and cheap granaries and everyone likes granaries.

So, there's no civ I'd really rather have than mongolia, even though I susspect the inca combo will be thrown back - no point in a creatiive inca.

So, I;ll stay with Charlemagne of Mongolia.

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Predictions as to who keeps and who repicks:

Ichabod and Retep - Liz is good, france is good. keep
Plako - Spi and Ind are still good and Ottomans are fine. He'll keep
Barteq - no idea who he is, he'll repick, since his UB duplicates his trait
Grimace - I think will keep, though sac altar is kind of nerfed
DTay - No idea - Imp and Ind are ok, Sumeria is nice. I dunno - I'll say keep.
Serdoa - Keep. Wang got a buff and England is ok.
Krill - clearly keeping
REM - I'll guess he keeps.
Adreinter - Will keep - Ragnar is good, samurai get a boost from aggressive
Commodore - I dunno - might switch. COmmodore's a tough read sometimes.
Donovan Zoi - This is a strong combo - he'll stay
TheWannabe - Will stay. Good traits, still a good UU.
AT - I'm staying
Elkad - I hope stays - agg is a good combo for the new american UB and the UU is timely. Stay
CheaterHater - no real synergy in traits/UB - I'm going to say switch
Molach - stay - Molach is not a war monger (he sat next to me all game in PB 18 with an aggressive civ and never really made a move , though he threatened) Willem is a good builder leader, though celts are a bad builder civ. They would be tough to attack, though.
HAK - stay. BGN did very well in PB 18 with russia and justinian is a fine leader.
Borsche - guessing will switch - Vikings got a bit of a nerf, though Hannibal is good
Yuri - stay. A stronger combo than it looks - saladin gives 1/2 walls, which is a prereq to the citadel.
NyselsStandish - I think will switch - Korea really isn't special and Frederick I don't think is great
Tasunke - Switch - Pacal is nice, persia isn't great in multi, because humans wont defend with archers but with spears
Gavagai - should switch - Arabida still isn't great.
vaon aldercruet & taotao - will switch - dike is overrated as a UB and neither UB nor UU help you stay alive in teh early game.

So, I think I found 5 teams that will switch and the rest will stay. I predict that my ability to predict this will be indicative of my results in this game!!

[Mardoc]

So, I think I found 5 teams that will switch and the rest will stay. I predict that my ability to predict this will be indicative of my results in this game!!

So you're uncertain about your predictive ability, but very confident in your metapredictive ability?

[AutomatedTeller]

Also not confident in my ability to add - looking at the list again, I found 7 teams that I said I thought would switch, not 5