[SPOILER] vanrober and BAII

[vanrober]

Hello bro, im not sure how to play this and i hope you can help me so i get started well in this gamemode. I ve never played agains other humans, so im not sure if my knowledge of the game will be good enough.

Sorry about being spaniard and unable to speak proper english, i hope your eyes dont bleed too much

[BaII]

Hey there vanrober! It's fine if you've never played against human players before. You'll only really be able to know how to once you've played against them. In general expansion is really important so usually it's about expanding fast as possible while still being safe from other people. Once you've run out of room to expand is when you start looking at the juiciest neighbor. That's the general rule of thumb I follow.

Don't worry about the broken English! it's not really that big of a deal.

[vanrober]

Thanks. My general thought was to expand early to get good resources and thats why i took zulus, his barracs will help early wastes of maintenance  and also his impis will be fine to defend against any kind of horse rush they could try nad the agriculture start i think its nice. About the lider i really need creative so i dnt bother building monuments nor stonheinch, got kublai to get the agresive bonus, not my favourite but had already 4 points and i think it was the best i could chose.

It would have been goo to ask you first for this, but i noticed some hours ago you were deadlurking me   .

[BaII]

I would have mentioned Ragnar is better since FIN is still the best trait but this leader and civ combo is doable. It's just after the early game we don't have anything to help us out so the early game landgrab is going to be very important.

[vanrober]

I was thinking about him, but i thought this games against humans dont really go for  late game, so i decided to go full early. we ll see if it work

[BaII]

That depends on what you would think of as late game. FIN is really good in the early game too especially if you have a river or some coasts to work. Usually games don't end in the Ancient Era and it's really hard to attack without a tech advantage so it's important to establish a tech advantage first and then look to invade someone.

Usually for people at Realms Beyond knights are the first key tech point where people start looking to clean up neighbors.

[vanrober]

I thought more about horse archer rush or praetorians rush, if its like you say it would have been much better ragnar :/

[BaII]

I mean HA rush or Praetorians rush is always a possibility. It's just Horse archer vs spear isn't as lopsided as knight vs spear. Also depends on how big the map is. The bigger the map it becomes harder to rush since it's more profitable to get territory from peaceful expansion.

It's okay though, don't get too down on yourself because Kublai Khan is good enough and level of play can very easily be more important than picks.

[vanrober]

   

So i did the first turn, it seems a good capital with several mountains and 3 good food tiles, also 4 river tiles to maybe cotage them. Also the city tiles has 2 hammers and it will help the early game prodution and defense of the city.
About tech i was thinking on getting mining so i can build some mines with the worker while taking fishing. After that i think bw to speed up a settler, i ll see.

Not sure how to make a spoiler button to put the image on, not sure if needed either xD

[BaII]

Spoiler button isn't usually needed. People usually use it when they do a lot of photos back to back. This start is actually kind of hard to play out but I think we want to get fishing first then get mining since after the worker completes I think we want to be putting hammers into a WB unless you want to build a warrior first.

Another reason for fishing first is that we can start working the clams tile over the corn tile while we're building the worker and I think since we are going to farm the corn first I think we can go fishing->mining and still be able to finish mining by the time the worker is on a hill tile we can mine. You would need to double check this though.

I personally recommend trying to sim this out to see which route is better.