Shoot the Moon Wrote:He actually would gain a lot. Kathlete's economy would still be in the tank because they have to invest even more hammers in military instead of workers to improve their land (I don't believe they have even one cottage built yet). He gets more land to his east the longer the war goes on. On top of that, if he were to have taken Sulla up on the offer, he would not lose metal at all, and would deprive Spulla of metal for 10t.
I think the best plan for him would be to secure a NAP with Spulla and settle aggressively to his east while giving Byzantium metal (in exchange for getting Spulla's copper). If Byzantium survives, he has a buffer against kathlete that will forever not trust kathlete. If they die, kathlete would most likely be pretty badly behind in tech from having to whip/build so much military. Especially in a game with no tech trading, a team that gets behind in tech (especially if Jowy can get a military tech advantage) isn't really a threat.
Their economy is already in the tank, a few more turns isn't going to do a whole lot more and isn't worth the exchange of making a real enemy. Plus if he were just expanding he could easily just start settling east in peace right now into Byz lands no problem. Even if Otto killed Byz off right now and started expanding and didn't offer good settling plans with Greece then Greece could still easily out expand them in that direction due to their healthier economy.
That said, Jowy's plans aren't focused on that, they're focused on dealing with the looming India on his other border so it most certainly makes more sense to not tick off the guy with the big army on your other side right before you're about to try taking on the biggest civ in the game run by two of the top players.
Bobchillingworth Wrote:Personally I'm getting a bit tired at the sense of entitlement in the Byz thread. They settled a stupidly aggressive spot, they lost it through their own poor play, their civ is crippled, and yet they still act like other teams have an obligation to stick their own necks out to help them. It doesn't help that Rego is a known double-dealer who isn't above selling out long-term allies and taking some questionable liberties with the game rules.
I think he's just a bit upset to potentially be eliminated early on so isn't being very rational about it which is completely understandable