T-hawk Wrote:Can we point to specific diplo messages from Sullla where the recipient took it as suspicious and unfriendly? We keep talking about that in general terms but I'd like to see the smoking guns.
Not a specific message but a post from Jowy (from Nov 2009 around turn 45)
Jowy Wrote:As for Sullla and Speaker, everything seems so formal and you know, fake. It feels like they take their time with the replies and think carefully of every word. I don't trust them yet, but I don't see them as manipulative or backstabbing. Maybe I can convince them that Rego's team is not to be trusted and we could attack him together at some point of the game.. But does that make me as bad as Rego is?
Worst case scenario is that they both decide to attack me together. I could see that happening because both of their teams have long time RB members, while I'm a stranger here.
A week[~8turns) later Jowy got this mail from Dantski:
Currently Spulla seem very focused on settling in your direction and have also negotiated to try and secure their southern border so they can continue settling north, while they have dealt fairly with me, I wouldn't like to see them pushing your Civ around too much and becoming a powerhouse later.
Looking forward to your reply.
-Dantski
which he commented with
Jowy Wrote:Now this is REALLY interesting. Looks like my intuition was right in Sullla's case.. I just wrote that post on whom I trust before reading this e-mail from Dantski. So both my neighbours have been dishonest with me?And I thought I was being overly-paranoid at the beginning!
and shortly after:
Jowy Wrote:I'm going to get so fucked if Dantski is actually siding with IndiaAt this time(turn 58 ) the first plans to attack India were discussed by Dantski and Jowy.But to be honest atm all the puzzle pieces seem to fit the picture that India indeed aren't as friendly as they say. Getting Dantski on my side would definately improve my odds. It's a big gamble but we'll see how it plays. I feel like I'm in a good position because I'm in friendly terms with both Ottomans and Mali, the civs who are on the other front of my neighbours. Then again, I've only known them for a while. But I don't think it would be a wise move from their point of view to let either India or Byzantine to become a powerhouse so I think they'll both be loyal to me.