PB68 - Lurking the tides of war

[Charriu]

T150
Once again we are at the T100 mark. So let's dive into the report. As always all the data can be found here: PB68 Tracking

Since this PB is running CtH 3.0, we got some new data points. By now I've explained all data points here: data points explanation

General state of the game
Score

1. Miguelito = 2912
   
2. Yuris = 2016
   
3. Commodore = 1621
   
4. Thoth = 748
   

City count

1. Miguelito = 5
   
2. Yuris = 4
   
3. Commodore = 4
   
4. Thoth = 2
   

Population

1. Yuris = 37
   
2. Miguelito = 58
   
3. Commodore = 30
   
4. Thoth = 8
   

Wonders

• T120 Parthenon (Miguelito)
  
• T126 Great Library (Miguelito)
  
• T128 Pyramids (Commodore)
  
• T129 Shwedagon Paya (Miguelito)
  
• T146 Hanging Gardens (Miguelito)
  

Current turn Gold at 100%

1. Miguelito (AGG) = 157
   
2. Yuris = 88
   
3. Commodore (AGG) = 72
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = 18
   

Current turn total maintenance

1. Thoth (AGG) = 33
   
2. Commodore (AGG) = 74
   
3. Yuris = 74
   
4. Miguelito (AGG) = 106
   

Current turn maintenance-gold delta

1. Miguelito (AGG) = 51
   
2. Yuris = 14
   
3. Commodore (AGG) = -2
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = -15
   

Current turn Science at 100%

1. Miguelito (AGG) = 241
   
2. Yuris = 145
   
3. Commodore (AGG) = 91
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = 30
   

Accumulated actual science

1. Miguelito (AGG) = 4336
   
2. Yuris = 4274
   
3. Commodore (AGG) = 4012
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = 2350
   

But what exactly did the players do with all those beakers. Well fear not here it is:




Food

Accumulated food towards growth

1. Yuris = 2437
   
2. Miguelito = 2395
   
3. Commodore = 1898
   
4. Thoth = 633
   

Accumulated food kept (Granaries etc.)

1. Yuris = 1616
   
2. Miguelito = 1511
   
3. Commodore = 1417
   
4. Thoth = 313
   

Production
Accumulated total production
You will find the unmodified production in parenthesis if it differs. I only show relevant traits here.

1. Miguelito (AGG, IND) = 9261 (6703)
   
2. Yuris = 7118 (6393)
   
3. Commodore (AGG, CHA) = 7014 (6376)
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = 2772 (2676)
   

Total whip production

1. Yuris = 2750
   
2. Commodore (AGG, CHA) = 2700
   
3. Miguelito (AGG) = 2260
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = 850
   

Total chop production

1. Commodore (AGG, CHA) = 256
   
2. Thoth (AGG) = 230
   
3. Yuris = 190
   
4. Miguelito (AGG) = 156
   

Misc

I'm tracking a lot more but there is not enough information there to justify an own paragraph. Therefore a little summary here:
Great People born

1. Miguelito (AGG) = 6
   
2. Yuris = 5
   
3. Commodore (AGG, CHA) = 2
   
4. Thoth (AGG) = 1
   

Comparing traits

The main goal of all this tracking of course is to compare the economic traits related around commerce income or maintenance reduction.




Stay tuned for the T200 report.

[Tarkeel]

With few cities civic maintenance never goes up that high hindering ORG and always war hurts the FIN cottage style gameplay. This leaves PRO in 1st place followed closely by AGG.

Isn't FIN still the clear winner due to how much coast they are working? AGG is the clear second due to sheer number of units (and low pop), while PRO isn't much better than ORG due to lack of islands and cities.

[Charriu]

You are absolutely right. I forgot to delete that paragraph

[Magic Science]

Should Yuris and Miguelito be harassing Thoth more? They are already always at war, so why not park a boat on his Fish and send in little stacks to pillage and block his land tiles. Just don't give him a break. Maybe then he would be weak enough to conquer already.
Now that his enemies have Macemen/Samurai, Thoth shouldn't be able to efficiently clean up a small stack.

[Mjmd]

So the problem is if you send your triremes down you are exposing yourself to other people doing the same to you. Now Yuris MIGHT* be able to if he just assumes at this point Commodore recognizes he shouldn't hurt him more. Mig is leading and it is more likely Commodore will send probing attacks at him, so I don't think he should.

[Qgqqqqq]

Didn't realise how big Migs lead was until seeing his pop stat. Thanks Charriu!

[superdeath]

Looks like the next 5t or so will be a big deciding factor on who wins this pb. Will Commodore/Yuri use the (likely) capture of Rome to go on the offensive?

[Magic Science]

Yuri and Commodore can see the Great Generals in the Event Log, so they should already know what is happening.
Yeah, the 2 of them need to "make peace" and attack Migu-calola immediately, or Migu-calola wins.

I am not sure when exactly Yuri lost his status as the likely winner. I guess when he did not conquer Rome? Not even the outright failed attack recently, just the long period when he never felt strong enough to attack at all.
His crippling of Thoth gave the IND guy a relatively safe border too.

[Qgqqqqq]

I meant to respond earlier, but the obvious answer to Migs position is he won the peace. He had invested a lot into Thoth and while he gained somewhat, it was not significant. And as he says, he was then out of forests for other purposes (e.g. wonders). When one player builds 80% of the early wonders, it's no surprise they're ahead.

Moving to the present, I feel Yuri sealed his fate by invading Commodore. I'm not sure quite how that is justified when he's no. 3 that you need against no. 1, especially as Yuri was trying to steal former Roman lands at the same time. It feels like we're 5ish turns from the game being sealed up, unless he pulls something surprising off.

[Mjmd]

Ya it feels like Yuri got greedy here. He had the opportunity to grab two Roman cities for very little work. Instead he is weakening an "ally" and his stack is on wrong side of his empire. It would make sense to go after Commodore if you KNEW Mig was pushing north, but he doesn't and instead went for the ultra greedy play.