2 Rooms and a Boom: Main Thread [GAME OVER: Red Wins!]

[Bigger]

bah, im pretty sure a second game would have a lot less reveals anyway.. uber's right, both teams did a poor job keeping secrets. this would obviously change as we learn from our mistakes.

I think my rule change of not allowing private, one sided reveals would fix a lot of your problems selrahc (combined with people being naturally more secretive). thats at least 2 roles the spy could hide behind, maybe more if the doctor & president are more careful (bomber and engineer), etc.

[Rowain]

Thanks BRick for running it despite your health problems . Get well soon

I guess the final result isn't unfair, as red team did a better job of negotiating with greys than blue did.

Yes absolutly. It was far easier to talk and work with red than it was with blue. Had I not tried to give the last day at least a bit of meaning I would have chosen reds to win (= I would have sent a blue away on D4 and myself on Day 5)

IMO the ones that can really play are the Greys but the game helds little for blues and reds. One only has to look at the postcounts to see how the interest in this game twindled after D2. There were just little todo except vote for the grey and try to convince him to side with you.

[pindicator]

Red and Blue from days 3-5 never gave me that luxury, and IMO did a better job of making me choose with my vote to their plan rather than voting me and hoping to win me over. That is, when i had two options to choose from...

I'm sure my play is going to spark a lot of questions, and i certainly misplayed in parts. My favorite was day 4, where i had gone from both teams liking me to both teams disliking me...

[Gazglum]

Ah, sorry Blue. At least the majority of our team survived the explosion, and can hopefully rebuild from the ashes.

I found my role very hard to play. It was like being a King in Chess - everything depends on your survival, but you can't really do anything to effect the game. In the opening days, I obviously couldn't full reveal with a Red. And I couldn't risk revealing with a Blue either, until the spy was narrowed down. That made it all the more painful when I realised how many other players had revealed their info. After Day 1 there were only about 3 presidential candidates left, so I felt like I was being backed into a corner and there wasn't anything I could do. I'm guessing Uber felt the same, if not worse because he was trapped for so long.

BY the way Pindicator - my mocking attack on you Day 2, which apparently went a long way to making you dislike the Blue Team, was forced by circumstances. There was no way I could risk full revealing with you, so I felt I had to cast aspersions as to your trustworthiness to mask the fact that I was being so reticent. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings.

I think the proper strategy for this would be for most players to try and act like the President/Bomber as much as possible, with minimal reveals. One 'normal' player should probably publicly reveal to start things off (as Amelia did), then everyone can safely reveal with them afterwards. That player could then be voted leader and help co-ordinate the room shifts.

I would also be interested in a variant where you weren't allowed to speak about past rooms AT ALL. It was pretty hard to do any real fake-outs when all your voting history could be summarised by people who had been in rooms with you previously.

Anyway, I enjoyed this game a huge amount when it was a role deduction game, and totally lost interest once that stage was over. I can see how changing up the roles and meta could improve things a lot, but I'm uncertain whether the ending could be dramatically improved. It seems that it will always end with a coin-flip, or with one team so in control that there is little chance of them losing.

The biggest problem is the lack of motivation for minority colour players in a room, I think. Maybe having more greys would improve that, so shifting alliances could still be built.

Thanks for hosting, Brick, and I did find it a very interesting experience. I really liked having open teammates, it was a nice contrast from the slow-burn stress of werewolf where you can't trust anybody. Seeing Bigger arrive in the Barracks to save me was a cheerworthy moment. But I probably wouldn't play again without lurking another one to see if the proposed rule changes change things up enough.

BLUE TEAM 4 LIFE!

[Lewwyn]

Coinflip FTW! = FTL... FML

[pindicator]

Gaz,

I had a guess that you were the Pres at end of day 1 simply because you were so quiet. That's why i offered the full reveal; you obviously weren't the dealer or spy so your continued denials confirmed it for me. That and Rowàin giving out the identity of the blues in the barracks day1.

I agree that we were a bit reveal happy this game, but you don't want to do the opposite either.

One thing i thought of was you could try to play the Pres as a pretend fugitive, although you end up giving the red spy more cover that way.

Edit : How many people knew i was Foolish all game? I thought i hid that quite well

[Gazglum]

One thing i thought of was you could try to play the Pres as a pretend fugitive, although you end up giving the red spy more cover that way.

I thought of that, but we had 2 fugitive claims in quick succession Day 1, adding another one just seemed silly. I guess it would have given Red Team 3 possible targets, but eventually the Red Spy would have come out of cover and I would have had to full reveal with Bigger, so it would have been a pretty short-term ploy.

[pindicator]

Oh yeah, Bigger offering reveals like he did didn't help your secrer either

[Cyneheard]

Random observations: The greys were really powerful. There were a lot of quite inconsequential parts of the game, where what you do doesn't really matter. And things felt quite mechanistic.

Right - I should've screwed over our team Day 1 by foolishing both the Blue Doctor and our Spy. But it still got to a coinflip b/c Rowain said so.

[Ichabod]

I think I only foolished Pindicator the whole game. Luckily, Uber rejected my full reveal on day 1. I think it was the first one I offered. That'd have been pretty funny.