Codenames three

[sunrise089]

Thinking King and Genius. Like Dismantle, Palace, Puzzle less

[Molach]

I'll put this in spoilers since it is the first post after the clue.
Actually it is not spoilered, just further down.

Myself, I prefer to give a 'fresh' guess. Sometimes when I click on "most recent post" I will see commodores clue, and the first post after that might be revealed as well. And as a teacher, I am a firm believer in letting people start their own train of thought first without any previous clues.

Did a test in two classes, "guesstimate how many leaves on that tree".
Class A - first person said 3000, all the rest were around this value. Max 6000.
Class B - first person said 12 000, and of course had guesstimates from 8000 - 20 000.

I think it was 15 000 - 20 000, so class A failed because of that first guy putting the wrong idea into their minds.

So, perhaps this is enough spoiler space?

Maybe I don't need the actual spoiler tag in the end. In a practical real-life sitting of the game, I'd urge my team to "think about this for 30 seconds, then we do a round and see."

So yeah, I'm thinking King and Palace.


Edit: Beat to making first post by 2, even.

[Molach]

Wouldn't genius be less ambigious with"machiavellian" than "machiavelli"?

[Bobchillingworth]

Heh, alright, I'll go back and spoiler my post :P

[Bobchillingworth]

Wouldn't genius be less ambigious with"machiavellian" than "machiavelli"?

Yes, sort of. Machiavelli himself qualifies as a genius, I think. But "Machiavellian" doesn't work as well for King... which recommends that in my opinion for being our second guess.

[Molach]

I was just defending why I was going to spoiler it, not replying to your post (didn't see it).

About the clue, it just occured to me that there probably are better ways to indicate "king + palace" than Machiavelli...

Didn't Machiavelli write 'textbooks' on how to be a proper successful ruler some five hundred years ago, when ruthless plotting and scheming was recommended strongly. 'Machiavellian plot' means very deep, well-thought-out scheme. Evil, even?

[Molach]

Was Machiavelli a king, though? Darn no google...
I thought of him more as a nobleman kind of guy...advisor. I am on thin ice here though.

[Bobchillingworth]

He wasn't a king, but his famous book was titled "The Prince".

[sunrise089]

And, a lot of modern references to him involve kings or other leaders. It's a lot more common to cite say Putin's success in those terms than Mark Zuckerberg's.

[Molach]

I remember Norwegian translation of that title is "fyrsten". Probably after German 'fūrst' which is a kind of ruler, close synonym with king.
Im aboard with king and genius.