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Quote:I think for myself Serdoa, do you?
Quote:...marking down your aggression and negativity to personality
Quote:How about using just the slightest bit of logic before you post?
Wow - thats what I get only for stating
- that nobody answered to my "lets lynch Rowain if PB is innocent" and
- that I don't agree with Rowain = innocent
You guys know that you posted a self-defence for your votes without me even accusing you? I mean I only said I hope you are right. You two really act weird.
Anyway, as for Rolands explanation: Yes Roland, we all understood that you can't believe that a wolf startd at Day 1 to accuse someone else and go on a crusade for him. But with the weak evidence presented it could very well have been that he goes on a crusade without gaining much votes for it and so he could hold it up for quite a long time without anyone asking about his voting behaviour anymore. No, he could not know if this would work out - exactly as you can't know if your worker-first build might get called by your neighbours or not in Civ4. And still we are doing it most of the time - heck, I even did it in an AW-game. High risk, high reward. I for myself see much incentive for a wolf to act like that. Though of course that does not give any evidence if Rowain is a wolf or not. But maybe you should rethink your "logic", it didn't work quite so well in WW2. Yes I know, you knowed nearly all wolves AND the possessed on Day 1. And everyone else was responsible for your bad votes afterwards...
Really if I should state what I find suspicious then for me one thing sticks out: Rolands behaviour. Every theory is called by him because it does not have enough evidence presented (he explained it for Rowain already, I still think he simply tries to make sure that no votes gain traction except for those he wants - what could either be an overconfident villager or a wolf) and he is acting much more aggressive then I remember from WW2. Especially this aggressive behaviour I am not used too. Maybe it is just him trying hard to be right but as of now it is for me a reason to be suspicious of him.
@Rowain: Thanks for answering my post without getting personal even that you are the only one I have accused. Makes me rethink your position in this game (what doesn't change the fact that I don't like this crusade against PB).
Btw: If PB is a wolf, then they have given him up already. No swings today I guess, though if we look who did change his vote it seems there were many more people (and different ones on Day 1 and 2) doing that then we have wolves anyway. I would assume right now that those swings were simply for the fact that most people wanted to get rid of either MJW or Cull on Day 1 and that the defense by PB on Day 2 was enough to at least have people change their vote away from him.
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Lewwyn Wrote:As for Roland in WW2... it worked out in the end. Whether it was  or not Villagers won. And even if you haven't been wrong about a person yet, you will be unless you're a wolf with a cheat sheet.
Well, I voted for you on the first day. If I haven't been wrong about anyone up until now, does that mean you are a wolf, Lewwyn?
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Rowain Wrote:A) If we lynch PB and he stay villager I will not defend myself against a lynch next day. I have stated that I expect that to be the prize of failure.
That's all fine and well. It still won't convince me you're a 'Wolf, and thus worth lynching. I agree with Lewwyn - if pocketbeetle is a Villager, lynching you will probably just lead to another lost Villager, thus two lost days instead of one.
Rowain Wrote:B) Especially you should not lecture people about good, bad or fake evidence. You the man who defended a seer-screend wolf (is there any harde evidence possible?) and wanted to lynch a villager instead.
Biggest mistake I ever made in that game, or this one. I freely admit it. Doesn't that make it even more necessary to vote based on hard evidence instead of role-claims and hunches? Remember: half my reasoning behind that was MY assumption that there had to be a Fool in that game. Hardly "hard evidence", wouldn't you agree? I get what you're saying, but I think ultimately we're in agreement here - vote on what's in front of us, not on smoke & mirrors. Yes?
Rowain Wrote:C) I appreciate that you defended me but rest assured if I ever get the impression that you are a wolf it will not hold my hand.
Likewise. I wouldn't ask you to stay your hand if you thought I was a 'Wolf, so long as you could back up your claim with hard evidence.  I'm as much a Villager this game as I was last game, but that's for me to prove, not you to assume - thus my belief that pocketbeetle is a 'Wolf, or at least a Villager who doesn't care.
Rowain Wrote:PS:
To ask you for your hard evidence you were talking about . And as with PB I have no hatred against you  . Not here and not in WW2.
Heh. I think I was thinking of Serdoa when I wrote that comment. I don't recall you hating me, but I appreciate the answer anyway. Of course, I have no negative personal feelings towards anyone outside the game. In-game is a whole different matter.
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Serdoa Wrote:Yes I know, you knowed nearly all wolves AND the possessed on Day 1. And everyone else was responsible for your bad votes afterwards...
There you go, putting words in my mouth again - just as you did in last game. At this point, responding to you is a waste of my time and energy. I take full responsibility for every single wrong move I made in that game. Some were heavily influenced by others, but most were just me being wrong, and not following through with my convictions. I'm doing my best not to make the same mistakes this game. Ironically, you're doing your best to reprise your role note-for-note from last game - just like Selrahc did.
You truly are worth ignoring, Serdoa, if only because you consistently twist people's words to suit your own position. That's about as close to outright lying as you can get without actually doing it, but I've no desire to rehash that argument, nor any other. You purposefully bait people into rising to an emotional response, and than chide them for it. I don't know if it's just some twisted game you like to play, or if you're simply just that deluded that you feel your behavior is normal. Suffice it to say you have nothing to offer except bullshit, and I'm more than tired of listening to it. Have a nice day.
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novice Wrote:Gotta agree with pocketbeetle here. Can people stop discussing who makes the best villager and explain to me why we are lynching pocketbeetle today?
What is the evidence against him, apart from not defending against unspoken allegations? Sounds like McCarthyism at its best to me.
I second this thought. I suspect PB, but I haven't had the time to look the thread and make my gut feeling into something more concrete.
"What is the evidence against him, apart from not defending against unspoken allegations?"
This is true. What do you have to say about this, Roland? It doesn't make any sense to lynch someone based on this.
I don't think I'll be able to vote today... Nobody presented a good case... And the time is running out...
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@ Cull - I'll get to menhir carving later in the day.
Sareln Wrote:Notes on Ruling:
Strenous objection from all wolves on the basis that Cull or his replacement would unambigiuously be a normal villager, not a power-role, not a wolf, and therefore completely trusted. It's a tough break for the village, but I think this was the best way to resolve it without costing the village a hanging opportunity or the wolves a night-kill slot. Thanks for playing Cull, hopefully you'll be able to find more time later for other games!
This is the first time I read that Cull was unambigiously a normal villager. There was Lewwyn's post that said uberfish was a villager with no knowledge of power roles and therefore could take Cull's workboots without bias. What did I miss?
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Ichabod Wrote:Well, I voted for you on the first day. If I haven't been wrong about anyone up until now, does that mean you are a wolf, Lewwyn?
I was referring to you not lynching a villager yet.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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So pocketbeetle, who do you see as the likely wolves and why?
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novice Wrote:Gotta agree with pocketbeetle here. Can people stop discussing who makes the best villager and explain to me why we are lynching pocketbeetle today?
What is the evidence against him, apart from not defending against unspoken allegations? Sounds like McCarthyism at its best to me.
Well as far as I can gather your reason to lynch Mr Nice Guy is Jkaens list. A list that is so good that it had Cull as 7/10 wolf in it .
Ichabod Wrote:I second this thought. ... I haven't had the time to look the thread and make my gut feeling into something more concrete.
I don't think I'll be able to vote today... Nobody presented a good case... And the time is running out...
don't think I'll be able to vote today... Nobody presented a good case... And the time is running out... March 21st, 2011 14:11 What is your gut-feeling? Vote for whomever you want but vote. We can not efford another mod-killed villager. (in case you are unable to vote tomorrow)
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Roland Wrote:You truly are worth ignoring, Serdoa, if only because you consistently twist people's words to suit your own position. That's about as close to outright lying as you can get without actually doing it, but I've no desire to rehash that argument, nor any other. You purposefully bait people into rising to an emotional response, and than chide them for it. I don't know if it's just some twisted game you like to play, or if you're simply just that deluded that you feel your behavior is normal. Suffice it to say you have nothing to offer except bullshit, and I'm more than tired of listening to it. Have a nice day. I said a similar thing about Lewwyn, and you jumped down my throat and then voted for me because of it. (3 syllables, hy-po-crisy, or is it 4? Who knows.)
Serdoa is making a lot more sense than most Roland.
You should start listening to him.
Ichabod Wrote:I second this thought. I suspect PB, but I haven't had the time to look the thread and make my gut feeling into something more concrete.
"What is the evidence against him, apart from not defending against unspoken allegations?"
This is true. What do you have to say about this, Roland? It doesn't make any sense to lynch someone based on this.
I don't think I'll be able to vote today... Nobody presented a good case... And the time is running out... Let me make the case against myself then.
Day 1: I wasn't active enough, this gained me a bunch of votes along with other inactives like Cull.
There was some vote movement at the end of the day towards MJW and Cull, away from me.
From what little I can understand of Lewwyn's posts, that's suspicious.
The simple answer that I became more active and so people were less inclined to vote for me is being ignored.
Day 2: Rowain and Lewwyn are convinced that I'm a wolf at this point, and are actively telling others to vote for me.
I then started wondering why, which led to my Rowain post.
Lewwyn's behaviour is consistent with WW2 and I'm simply disregarding him as a fool.
Rowain has shown more intelligence in the past, which makes his sub-par villager behaviour more suspicious, which is why I voted for him.
At the end of the day, Rowain was looking likely to be lynched, Selrahc ended up being lynched, but somehow I supposedly was the beneficiary of Selrahc being lynched and so I'm even more suspicious!
Day 3: Continuation, Roland convinces himself, you guys being sheeplike and following along.
Bruindane Wrote:pocketbeetle as I trust Lewwyn's tea leaves more than my own.
The end.
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