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You're welcome to offer us input on who to hang in the event of your untimely demise, but it doesn't really make sense to make a deal as you have little to no bargaining power in this situation. It's difficult to see your statement as anything other than a wolf trying to sow misinformation with some sort of double bluff.

That said, it'd make sense to agree to hang you today and then spend the rest of the day jointly investigating your accusation of Selrahc to make good use of the time available.
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Rowain Wrote:What the hell are you smoking?huh

Unlike Gaspar I don't smoke; I've been drinking though -- it's fun twirl !

Anyway I pretty much know that you meant you could read techs; know I want to know what tech and abilty Selrahc has and what tech and abilty that Scooter has.
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MJW (ya that one) Wrote:Anyway I pretty much know that you meant you could read techs; know I want to know what tech and abilty Selrahc has and what tech and abilty that Scooter has.

This has been posted but for you a rcap

Selrahc: Diplomacy Diplomatic Isolation
scooter: Feudalism Vengeance
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Quote:Anyway I pretty much know that you meant you could read techs; know I want to know what tech and abilty Selrahc has and what tech and abilty that Scooter has.

We have both already said. If you can't be bothered searching:

My starting tech is Diplomacy. My power is Diplomatic Isolation. Rowain has verified that with his ability. The effect of my power is to remove somebodies power to vote for a day. It was a one shot, and I used it last night on Tasunke. I claimed my use before hand, and uberfish has confirmed it in thread. I now have no power.

Scooter's starting tech is Feudalism. His ability is Vengeance. Rowain has confirmed that. Scooter claims his power kills a chosen target if somebody targets him with a night kill, although obviously that is not practically verifiable.
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Rowain, can you confirm that Selrahc's power is only a one-shot?
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All Rowain knows is the name of Selrahc's ability and tech.
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Tasunke Wrote:Rowain, can you confirm that Selrahc's power is only a one-shot?

I'd sincerely doubt it. From what he has said, Rowains ability just scans techs and titles. If he thought I was a roleblocker, he isn't going to know that I only have a one shot from the title.

That's just something you're going to have to take on faith. But it is the only part of my role that has not been verified in thread.
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*tries to read the last 10 or so posts*

*gets sick from all the head-spinning logic*

*start to type up rant, decide better to just shut up and say nothing if there's nothing nice to say*

Nothing to see here...
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
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So much flying by in the thread, and it's all aimed at scooter.

TL;DR [I don't think Scooter is guilty, and suspect Mardoc more than Gaspar in the event of an innocent Scooter]

Looking over the Mason thread, I think the most important thing to remember about the entire thing is that everything is written for Novice's consumption, and the goal of the wolf (Ichabod) is to put Novice on the distinctly wrong track. Additionally, I think we can safely assume that up until about halfway through day2, Ichabod did not expect to die. Therefore anything in that first part of the Mason thread is going to be attempting to put Novice on the wrong track, and won't have any double-blind tricks in it. This would lead me to think that the two primary suspects that Ichabod puts forward in that section of the thread, Scooter and Gaspar, are less likely to be wolves. However secondary suspects could easily have a wolf or two thrown in in the case that if a wolf goes under Ichabod gains credibility with Novice for having correctly called it.

So I'm a bit leery on hanging scooter based on the Mason thread, since I am pretty convinced that Ichabod's writings there are tailored to get Novice to push for a lynch on another villager, helping to expose Novice to either a friendly village lynch or a baner-less night where he can be killed and Ichabod can claim the other half of the Mason and be a semi-confirmed villager.

As to who I'd rather lynch, I'd say Mardoc. Here's why:

This is the vote for scooter from Day1.
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(4) Scooter: Gaspar, Mardoc, Novice, Zakalwe

Which, based on what we can know absolutely we come to:
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(4) Scooter: Gaspar, Mardoc, [color=Cyan]Novice[/color], [color=Cyan]Zakalwe[/color]

And if we accept my theory that Scooter is being setup posthumously by Ichabod from his attempts to turn Novice, looks like this:
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(4) [color=Cyan]Scooter[/color]: Gaspar, Mardoc, [color=Cyan]Novice[/color], [color=Cyan]Zakalwe[/color]

If we recall day 1 we had 3 candidates in reasonable contention for the final hanging. We had JKaen, Tasunke, and Scooter. If Scooter and JKaen are innocent then there are two possibilities. Possibility 1 is that Tasunke is a wolf, and if that's the case I'm pretty sure the wolves would not be found voting for Tasunke if they could help it. I think Tasunke's rather erratic play isn't very wolf-ish, but it could be that the other wolves looked at his style throughout the rest of the board and decided that it would be too risky to coach him and just let it slide. If MJW has proven anything, it's that RB doesn't punish in-character erratic-ness. The other possibility is that Tasunke is innocent and we got gobsmacked day 1 by the merry-go-round. If that's the case then the wolves definitely want to be split nice and evenly amongst the top 3 candidates and don't much care who goes down, though obviously a stronger, more known quantity like JKaen or Scooter would be preferred.

Therefore, I'd expect then to find a wolf amongst the day 1 scooter voters independent of Tasunke's innocence/guilt if scooter is innocent, which I think based on my reasoning about how Ichabod would have approached the Mason-thread.

The two left in that group for me are Mardoc and Gaspar. Gaspar helped push for Ichabod's lynch on day 2 pre-Zakalwe reveal, and is mentioned in the Mason thread as one of Ichabod's preferred targets during the period when Ichabod thought he was safe. Under the same logic that I'm using to temporarily clear scooter then, I think I can also clear Gaspar.

Which leaves this:
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(4) [color=Cyan]Scooter[/color]: [color=Cyan]Gaspar[/color], Mardoc, [color=Cyan]Novice[/color], [color=Cyan]Zakalwe[/color]

Which leads to this:

Mardoc
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Sareln, when did Ichabod push to lynch Scooter in the Mason thread? One of my points was that I did just that in the Mason thread, whereas Ichabod refused to tag along.
I have to run.
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