Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Tasunke]

Well -- NEWS FLASH! -- it's a fucking confusing game to someone who's never played it before. Why do you guys even both playing with new people if this is how the game is played? At least give us a fucking primer first. That Bigger & Commodore went days 2 & 3 isn't a coincidence in my eyes: we've got a group of people who are so well in tuned to each other that they've come up with their own quiet set of metagame rules that newbs have to pick up on or get voted off the island.

... I know exactly what you mean.

Felt rather similar to this early on in game WW11

[novice]

I don't have much more time today. Am I really the only one reacting to Pindicator? I guess I'll go for self-deprecator #2, Gaspar, then. But it's very much my second choice.

[Tasunke]

Hmm. I suppose I could back a vote against Serdoa.

[Serdoa]

A long post, explaining why zak could be a wolf and now you vote for me because you could back the vote on me up? Whats your evidence or at least reason to vote for me? Like Gaspar, I'm a risk-taker? Or do you have something more original to bring to the table at least?

I'm happy to discuss if you have anything to discuss. But I think you don't have anything - you just made a vote so that something gets hopefully started on me without anyone asking you why you even did start it. You see, your whole play is not making sense for me, now others who played with you state that you are not playing like they would expect from you, would you be a villager. And the only time you actually are writing more then one- or two-liners is when you explain in lenghty fashion why you are not a wolf. Heck, your whole "zakalwe could be a wolf"-post, was nothing more than trying to sell us that you might look like a wolf but you are not one. What stood out was that your explanation for why zak could be a wolf based on

a) you don't believe that the wolf-packs have the same setup (because that would incriminate you, wouldn't it?)
b) you do believe that the other pack does have some kind of blocker-role (because in that case zak could be a wolf)

Now, I'm not even disputing that zak could be a wolf. But you contradicted yourself in your post already in the first 5 sentences, first stating the packs are differing because you know you are not a wolf and following that with the packs are pretty much the same roles with some twist to it (blocker, investigator, announcer).

I mean, I really don't give a damn about your role Tasunke. You are not helpful at all, just defending yourself - even if no one is attacking you - since the start of this game. But you got yourself a pretty damn good alibi for why you are not doing anything at all, because you fear you could get "mislynched" so much. Yeah, sure. Have I voted for you? Anyhow

Tasunke

[Serdoa]

One thing about zak: If he is a black wolf, he could have told us he has redirected a kill attempt on "insert other black wolf" to pling. Making him look innocent (killed a wolf) and making the one he "saved" look innocent too (wolves tried to kill him).

Not saying I would declare him villager (I would declare no one villager right now) but he being black seems not to make too much sense for me as I feel the above outlined play is pretty obvious if he would be a black wolf. Do I miss something?

[Jkaen]

Yes, but if player X was defended from a kill at night, it only means he wasnt part of the pack killing that specific night, he could still be from another pack

[Injera]

Not saying I would declare him villager (I would declare no one villager right now) but he being black seems not to make too much sense for me as I feel the above outlined play is pretty obvious if he would be a black wolf. Do I miss something?

Lots to catch up on but this was at the end so I saw it first. Long-term it's a risky play. Even if it completely convinces the villagers of their innocence the other pack could still kill either of them and expose it, and I don't think that's necessarily unlikely whether they know who the black wolves are or not.

[Tasunke]

in depth attack on my character

Must be stressful being the last white wolf, isn't it?

Haven't seen you crack like that in a while :neenernee

[Injera]

Okay, to respond to some things while I was asleep:

They might have a role scanner (Devil), as Tasunke suggested. Pling had quite nasty power in her use, regardless of her
alignment.

Well, I think the wolves have alternating kills. It's the simplest method, and an ABBA set up would give a huge advantage if a wolf pack entered the end game with two consecutive night kills. If they alternate kills and they did scan her, why not spend a day trying to get her lynched at first for some village brownie points?

There's no way the packs know each other ahead of time, completely defeats the purpose. I mean I suppose anything is possible, but if so its really poor design. Pling's killing tonight seems like a poor kill decision, much like Rowain on Day 2 did.

I assumed they wouldn't know each other at first as well. Thinking about it I don't think it would be that odd, as unintentional wolf-wolf kills are such a huge swing. My narrative was assuming too much, though, I think. That being said, by now they should have a good grasp of who's who. White pack members only need to distinguish between villagers and black pack members and vice versa.

Also, I know I've been trying to honor your request to ignore your responses from Night 1, but you implicitly assumed they had pack knowledge back then.

Am I really the only one reacting to Pindicator?

I guess I don't much that feels like a wolf tell vs. an inexperienced (but not incompetent) villager tell. To be honest, I didn't really see anything self-deprecating in his "Do all WW games make so little sense?" post, and so in his shoes I could see taking that comment as an insult.

I do think he's a smart enough guy that he could play an honest newbie wolf, though.

[Serdoa]

Tasunke, I presented what I don't like on your posts and why I think you behave wolfish. I think your reaction to that is pretty self-explanatory.

As for my last post on that subject: If you interpreted it as an attack on you as person I am sorry. But rereading it, I have a hard time coming up with an explanation how you came to that conclusion. I never attacked your character or you, I just stated that you are unhelpful in this game and that you contradict yourself (and it wasn't the first time either). And even that are only the last two sentences of a much larger post. So I guess you are simply trying to dismiss my post.

(And see, unrelated to this particular game, that is what I don't like and why I haven't played for quite some time: Even as a wolf, I don't think it is fair game trying to move the game to a personal level, so as to make the suspicion easier to dismiss. I had that once in those games, I won't have it another time. I'll rather drop out right away in that case.)