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[PB61] Lurker Thread
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The level of paranoia that Civ triggers in these games is amazing.
Mods: RtR CtH
Pitboss: PB39, PB40, PB52, PB59 Useful Collections: Pickmethods, Mapmaking, Curious Civplayer Buy me a coffee
This PB is on it's way to become a 3 player PB. Here is the T150 report. As always all the data can be found here: PB61 Tracking
General state of the game Before we start some notable observations in the past 50 turns:
Like I already said in the beginning I'm also tracking the actual gold and science output of the players. But some additional info is needed. Like in previous PBs the gold number does not include maintenance cost of any kind and the science output does not include KTB and prereq bonuses from other techs. Reason is that I want to compare these numbers to the commerce output to see the effect of modifier buildings and in case of science I want to be able to compare the science output between players and KTB and prereq bonus are a distraction in this case. Both numbers do include extra gold/science from specialists, modifier buildings and other stuff I haven't mentioned so far. These actual numbers are most interesting when we add up all the numbers of each turn. For the current turn and the players potential income the virtual numbers are still more useful. These virtual numbers were my previous tracking and they treated the slider as always being on 100% gold or science. At first I want to look at the current turn numbers of the virtual gold income (all players running 100% gold). The 100% science value is in parenthesis
But as we know there are more things at play namely maintenance. FYI info this is the sum of all maintenance factors (city, unit, supply and civic).
With the maintenance at hand we can now include that into the gold income to see how much gold everybody could make this turn:
Now let's see how good the player did across the whole span of 100 turns. For this we look at the accumulated actual science numbers, which I already have described above:
But what exactly did the players do with all those beakers. Well fear not here it is:  Vanrober managed to keep his lead in tech. Some notable discoveries. Jack had Engineering and therefore access to pikeman some 5 turns before the war. Would he have been aware of the attack he might have been able to muster a better defense. bellarch researched Compass likely going for Optics sooner. He will be sad to discover that there is nothing out there for him, but at least the extra circumnavigation trade routes will help him together with the Great Lighthouse. So far it looks like all relevant players are on equal military tech level, but Vanrober is working on changing that. Financial Bonus Here I collected all the extra commerce a player (would) have gained if he was working Financial tiles. For example if you worked a river hamlet tile you normally gain 3 commerce and 4 commerce with FIN. In this case my tool notes down 1 extra commerce. You will also find that I am tracking the CtH implemenation of Financial as well as the normal BtS implementation for comparison. Keep in mind that this is the first time we are playing with the newest FIN nerf, which was that water tiles only give extra commerce with a lighthouse present. Looking at the current turn numbers first:
Here the accumulated numbers:
Some lurkers may ask themself, how much would the players have made without the lighthouse-FIN-nerf. For this it is worth looking at the numbers from the previous FIN version, which did apply extra commerce for land tiles at 3 and water tiles at 2. Here the accumulated numbers with the lighthouse variant in parenthesis for comparison:
Lastly how sever is the recent nerf at the moment. Here the comparison for this lighthouse implementation compared to BtS (delta, reduction in percent):
Protective Bonus For our new players here I'm tracking the extra commerce you would get from the PRO trade bonus. This actually a bit tricky when foreign trade routes come into play later. Imagine this simple scenario you only have trade routes to only player and are PRO. Without foreign trade route your trade route makes 2 commerce. With a foreign trade route you would also get 2 commerce. In this scenario my tracking tool notes 0 extra commerce from PRO, because you would get the same commerce from foreign trade. Of course this gets a lot more complicated with bigger empires and for the most part the player can't know how much extra commerce they made. Therefore I calculate the players trade income two times. Once with the PRO bonus and once without. The delta is the actual benefit you get from the trait. With this in mind let's look at the current turn numbers:
We will look at the accumulated numbers at a later point. For now I want to briefly talk about the difference between this 100% trade PRO and the previous 75% trade. We now see some difference between them, but because the PRO numbers are so low due to the unique situation I don't want to interepret too much into them. Misc I'm tracking a lot more but there is not enough information there to justify an own paragraph. Therefore a little summary here:
Comparing traits The main goal of all this tracking of course is to compare the economic traits related around commerce income or maintenance reduction. So let's do this:  As you can see I changed the layout a little bit again in prepation for the new production tracking. I already color coded the 4 economic traits so that you easily see, who uses which trait. Except for FIN every trait has a hammer bonus so I included all of them. But I'm still disappointed in how this looks. I like how the 4 economics traits have light colors that are easy to distinguish. But with 7 more traits I'm running out of these numbers. If anybody has a better idea how to do this I'm all ears.
The last thing I wanted to mention is that if bellarch and joshy don't get a sudden case of concediaritis, then this might be a game that may come closer to the domination victory condition then any other game in the recent past. Stay tuned for the T200 report.
Mods: RtR CtH
Pitboss: PB39, PB40, PB52, PB59 Useful Collections: Pickmethods, Mapmaking, Curious Civplayer Buy me a coffee
For what it's worth, vanrober's understanding of the turn split rules is the same understanding I came to when I read them. If that's not the intended meaning (attacker can choose first or second, regardless of when attacking, provided there's no double move), then the language should probably be updated for future PB games.
Maybe it could be clearer, but if you play in the first half and claim the second you've already violated the split.
When was the last game with this much drama about turnsplits?
I think it's in Joshy's rights to claim the second half, as that wouldn't break any of the rules. |
