[PB70 Mjmd] STAND AS ONE!

[Mjmd]

Sounds like he is willing to pay 400g and give open borders, so I guess I do a forge first and then eventually have a combat settler /shrug.

[pindicator]

So it looks like the Charriu war is more like a border skirmish / payback for the embargo? Does this change your tech plan / make you want to pick up some military stuff first?

I'm back now and will be in more regularly. At least, until the next trip at the end of the month

[Mjmd]

I mean I was never going to do a full war against Charriu, but yes a little payback for the embargo is good. Other than having to research MC earlier than planned it doesn't really change my tech plans. I would love to just be in builder mode.

I have to figure out how to keep SD on my side, so we will see what he wants long term.

This probably does sour my Charriu relationship long term, but with his tech and Bing available this I think was inevitable and I get some money at a cash tight time. I also would love to give Bing an interest free loan, so will help with that, which I'm sure Scooter and Charriu will love.

Is the payment better than just taking the territory. I don't know, but I really do need money right now.

[Mjmd]

T108

I probably owe an update if nothing else for Pin.

Got beaten to Judaism by 1 turn........... I blame SD for being a turn late in his 200g interest free loan (I've promised him a 400g one at a later date).

I am of course rewarding him by spreading his shrined religion. Blatant bribery. Yes. But I get happiness and org religion out of, so its not completely 1 sided. Now I could ask for a missionary from Scooter who is likely to get AP, but he would likely want something back and would take longer to get here. My plan is to launch GA as soon as I tech mono (was going to tech 1st but switched to CoL). I also totally didn't realize how fast I could tech CoL and probably could have gotten 1 turn sooner, but ah well.


But ya GP is due in 2 turns, but GA in 3 turns. Will probably update then.

Settling 18th and final city next turn. Unless Charriu decides to settle back 1NW that is.

[Mjmd]

T110/T111



Popped GA and dry popped missionary for capital  for Parthenon build. It will make getting GAs 3&4 much easier.

I am VERY glad I switched 3rd GA merchant to being produced from Braw Sailing. Put two merchants in there and put an engineer in WheretoGoJohnnies as for 2nd GA it doesn't matter. I'll probably switch it to spy after so whomever is lagging for 3rd GA can work an engineer.

While I WANT to work an engineer in Roots there are too many tiles to work around there! Even though that is my best city for sharing tiles its low pop itself atm and all 3 sharing cities were whipped recently. 



I like 12 turn GAs because I don't feel QUITE as bad about whipping. I'm mainly whipping courthouses or forges, but a lot of cities will then just grow for rest of GA. Cities without natural production will just be courthouses. Oh and missionary whips for selected cities.

Something different in this diplo game vs regular multiplayer is I loaned Bing 200g so he could tech during his GA vs me using it to tech in mine. Between that, paying SD back, and Charriu payments stopping soon I won't have quite as much money to throw around.



The SD loan and Charriu payment was pretty key for getting, MC, CoL, and Mono though. Those are some nice key techs to have powered through.

T111

Scooter did found Christianity as predicted.

I'm still debating what I want to tech this GA. Bing wants more money but I'll probably turn him down.

[Tarkeel]

Did you expect Charriu to be willing to pay?

What's your reasoning for giving money to Bing?

Is the map meeting your expectations?

[Mjmd]

I set the amount specifically to be on the high end of reasonable. I didn't expect him to, but neither do I think it was a complete rip off. I thought it was maybe 70% no 30% yes. In hind site it makes 100% sense for him to pay so maybe I should have raised it?

I'm going to switch your next questions.

The map works. Have had border negotiations with 3/4 players (I kind of just took island between Bing and I and then offered him support, so kind of implied so 4/4). It definitely gives incentives for working with people and having tension and interest in al. That being said, I was hoping for a little bit more of a land "mess" of most or all players converging in areas.

So this game is very much balance of power in Europe 1800s feel. A dead Bing is VERY bad for SD and I. Therefore we both have incentive to help him out. SD and did a minor project to improve the incense between us for instance together (he roaded for me). So helping Bing get to currency is in my interest and letting SD know I helped Bing at cost to myself is hopefully worth something. Although SD seems to forget small details pretty easily so who knows.

[Tarkeel]

Well, I did expect more fighting for the contested areas, but also didn't want to make them too lush. There's also the harsh mess of keeping distances high and tile count low.

[Mjmd]

Its basically a donut fight still mentality.

You can do a little skirmishing, but if you get too heavily involved and push too much one direction then you get punished in the other. See Bing taking Charriu land and losing land to Scooter. Most people I think picked up on this. If you have a safe border one way you can expand the other. That is why early on both SD and I identified the need for us to not be safe borders for Charriu and Scooter respectively.

I also think there just isn't a lot to fight over. Sure SD wasn't happy I took the dry wheat, but he couldn't feasible take himself. Could I have placed a city on a floodplain to work the other 2 floodplains sure, but 2 floodplains aren't worth a diplo hit or fight. In the north Charrius cities are pretty safe behind rivers and the split river provides a natural border. The only spot to fight over is the one I razed and he resettled. Honestly while he needs the raw city count, it may have made sense to just get out of trying to compete there.

I think in hind site if you wanted more blood one way to minorly tweak the map one of the easier things to do would have been to move the gem islands to also be contested N / S with all the gems being on same side OR maybe be 1 tile longer (gems in the middle)?

That being said, I'm not minding the lack of blood although I'm sure lurkers disagree. We have a lot of happy builders atm trying to long game out perform one another. My military is TINY but I'm 1st in military.

[Mjmd]

T115

I STOLE the music great artist! How close was Charriu? He messaged me about the peace treaty gold, but as far as I could tell I was no longer paying. But I wonder if the final turn messed up his math. He had literature and drama forever. I loaned Bing gold after I saw that. I actually deviated to mediation to start Paya because I assumed I had no chance, but it kept hanging out there so I asked SD if I could delay my repayment until actual loan time was up and went for it.

You'll note in my previous GP plan I did not factor in the music great artist. This gives me the option of continuing the current GA. I had planned to TRY to do continuous 2nd/3rd, but I realize that is harder so I MAY just fire it off.

Pin thoughts? I'll have to redo my GP plan now.....

Other things of note is that Scooter is going for a super early paper and we've negotiated a "naval arms agreement" to limit ships built on our sea for a bit.