Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[novice]

I accused novice of teh wolf for having a sense of humour.

Is this content? I don't understand it.

I said earlier I'd prioritize having fun over playing an optimal game.

[fire&ice]

Heh I was pretty much ignoring these as posts but your right these have no content and I shall stop posting period untill I can created huge posts full of content that are destinded to do nothin because nobody ever wants to read them.

BTW. Novive I do find that post suspicous even if it was humor.

[novice]

Heh I was pretty much ignoring these as posts but your right these have no content and I shall stop posting period untill I can created huge posts full of content that are destinded to do nothin because nobody ever wants to read them.

I was actually just referring to that one sentence by Irgy which I honestly couldn't parse.

BTW. Novive I do find that post suspicous even if it was humor.

That is your prerogative.

[Roland]

Putting words in your mouth? Post 1084 in this thread by you:

Addressing one thing because it really irks me. Serdoa, you wrote:

And everyone else was responsible for your bad votes afterwards...

Emphasis mine. If that is not a textbook case of you putting words in my mouth, I don't know what is.

As for making things personal, I could level that claim against you very easily. After all, you've been trying to get me lynched for, what, 3 Days now? Moreover, you intend to continue tomorrow - and on the basis of some very weak evidence. That's fine, though - I've come to expect nothing less from you. I don't trust your judgment any more than you trust mine, so I guess we're even in that regard.

Having said that, I've reached the point where it behooves me to simply ignore you, as I said I would before, and should have continued to do so instead of rising to the bait. No amount of arguing with you is going to change your behavior - I see that now - and since you will continue to post lies and fallacies about me, you leave me only two choices:
1) Recuse myself.
2) Ignore you.

I've no desire to leave this game except by lynch vote. I'd be doing the Village a disservice, in terms of the game and in terms of a potential victory for the Village, if I bowed out. Besides, you'd probably call it "emo bullshit," and I've no desire to give you any more ammunition to use in your crusade against me. I should have stuck to the high road, and simply ignored you. Instead, I sunk low, based on emotion and fury at your continued falsehoods. There is no excuse for that, no matter how I may feel. So. Consider this my apology for attacking you personally. It was immature and irresponsible of me, and no matter my feelings it wasn't deserved. I'm not forgiving you for lying about me, and I don't expect you to forgive me for responding with personal attacks, so I guess the best I can hope for is an easy truce.

I'm going to take tonight off from this game, as I can't trust myself to remain calm and collected in the face of your (as I see it) continued harassment. Suffice it to say I won't be surprised to see you continuing your vendetta against me in the future. You've made up your mind, and I don't see any way to change it. For what it's worth, I've no desire to lynch you. If you were a 'Wolf, you wouldn't be stupid enough to go on a grand crusade against me because you'd know full well I'm a Villager. It's the same position I took with Rowain, and it's the position I'm going to take with you. Having said that, it blows any theories I have for potential 'Wolves out of the water, because you were one of them. I don't have any more at this point, unfortunately. I'm stumped for the time being, and I'd rather someone who does have a theory put it forth. Maybe it will be stronger than the one against pocketbeetle was - mine as well as Rowain's and Lewwyn's.

In response to pocketbeetle being a Villager, I can only say a few things. Someone noted that just because someone doesn't mount a solid defense doesn't make them a 'Wolf. It worked against Selrahc - twice - but clearly I was overconfident in that belief. One theory does not fit all, this I knew. However, it seems one theory doesn't even fit two, either. As such, I have no choice but to discard the rest of my suspects and start over from scratch. I openly admitted what reasons I had for suspecting pocketbeetle. Those of you who chose to address those with actual comments instead of dismissing it out of hand, I hope I did my best to explain it to you. I was never certain pocketbeetle was a 'Wolf, but as so many others have said, who else was there? I'm perplexed by the sudden swings towards Lewwyn, Mr. Nice Guy, and even zakalwe. I'll admit I don't know the reasons behind it, but since so many people threw their votes around either they know something I don't, or enough people were just going with the flow on pocketbeetle that they felt more confident moving towards the end. Whatever the case, I'd like to hear some reasoning behind the events of the final few hours, because just as with the late Cull swing on Day 1, I'm perplexed over Day 3.

The only other thing I can say is that I'm sorry for lynching you pocketbeetle. I didn't believe Rowain was guilty, thus I didn't follow your lead on him. Should he be lynched tomorrow and we find out he is indeed a Villager it would have been no better today had I switched over to him. The only other strong suspect I had was Serdoa, and I wanted to wait to see what he did with his Day 3 vote before deciding. I was going to try to lynch him tomorrow, based on the fact that as a 'Wolf he would have known you were innocent, and thus would have avoided lynching you, combined with the other evidence I had against him (namely, voting MJW and not voting Selrahc). Unfortunately, it seems his conviction over killing me has shattered my theory, which was based upon voting patterns. In hindsight, I suppose it was a stupid theory, but even so it wouldn't have saved you any. I didn't feel confident in any alternatives, including JKaen (whom I suspected for the same reasons as Serdoa, just less so based upon his behavior), so that left only you. It turned out to be wrong, it wasn't personal, it was just a bad call. Not much more I can say on the matter, except that I meant it when I said if you had posted your last big post sometime before the 11th hour I probably would have moved my lynch vote off you - although, as I said, I don't know who I would have put in your place.

With all that out of the way, I'm off. See you tomorrow, and Gods help us if they find our Baner tonight.

[Irgy]

Is this content? I don't understand it.

Not really, just my attempt at humour. Jkaen's definition of content (which I'm not paricularly complaining about) appears to include voting, making accusations and posting evidence, but not making slightly more abstract nor meta style comments. Which is why I'm so poor on content ratio.

Emphasis mine. If that is not a textbook case of you putting words in my mouth, I don't know what is.

No, putting words in someone's mouth means suggesting they made a specific statement which they didn't make. What you've quoted on the other hand was suggesting you have an attitude which you don't believe you have. Which is something different. Particularly when it's the sort of attitude which people don't think they have whether they have it or not.

The difference is that he didn't suggest you said "everyone was responsible for your bad votes", he suggested you gave the impression you felt that way.

Not taking sides in this stupid argument, just trying to clear up one technicality with regards to the meaning of "putting words in someone's mouth" which seems to have been a point of pointless contention.


Although I will also say (yes, here it is, content again!) that Roland doesn't seem much different from in WW2 to me. Evolved, improved in various ways, but basically the same person. I flat out don't believe he's capable of putting on his personality to the extent he'd need to if he was a wolf, so he's on my safe list for now. Even on my "protected" list (people I'll switch my vote to save) in fact at this stage of the game, as he seems to be yet another player who's evidently capable of getting himself voted off in the face of vast evidence to the contrary.

[Bruindane]

Lynching pocketbeetle:
Courtesy of Lewwyn's PBEM14 thread.

I'm dedlurking PBEM14.

[Lewwyn]

I'm dedlurking PBEM14.

No worries its one of my first post, mouse over pics.

[Lewwyn]

So saw the result this morning. Makes me suspect Roland. Why? because after my post about Zakalwe and PB, in which I focused most on Zakalwe, and voted for him, Roland chose to focus on the PB part of the argument instead of the Zakalwe part which is the main part. He then urged me to follow that evidence to vote on PB. In the end, PB become the best target on my suspected list so I switched. Also, yes I do believe he's shouting a bit loud. Sorry Roland, just saying I suspect you, not that you are a WW.

Also, I go back to my original suspicions of Zakalwe. I still believe he is playing off his baseline from WW1. He's doing a great job keeping his head down, spreading his votes and suspicion.

PB, why didn't you respond to my comments if you were a villager? Why were you so eager to dismiss them. I was legitimately hurt by your comments that I am incomprehensible and implying I am a bad writer. At the time I wasn't even voting for you. But you made no defense. no case. There was no reason for me not suspect you. I stand by my vote given the information I had.

[Bruindane]

No worries its one of my first post, mouse over pics.

Ah ok. I didn't know.

I'm obviously exhausted as werewolves keep me up at night.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

I have about 30 more posts to read, but have read that PB was lynched as a .... VILLAGER.

How's that list of suspicion stacking up?

My Current hit list
8/10 - Fire and Ice, MNG
7/10 - Cull, PB
6/10 - Sandover, Meiz
5/10 - Serdoa, Scooter
4/10 - Ichabod, Rowain, Roland
3/10 - Mardoc, Zakalwe, Irgy
2/10 - GES, Novice
1/10 - Bruidane
0/10 - Jkaen

So two of the top four suspects are innocent. I know I'm innocent, so that leaves 3 of the top 4 as innocent. I think it's time we start looking at the bottom half of the suspicion list... maybe tomorrow I can convince someone to join me at starting with the very bottom of the list... the only 0/10 on there...????