Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Tasunke]

If we now take Gaspar and Sareln's assumptions at face value, we could try to use the information provided to do one of two things.

1) Try to finish off clan wolf by killing the (possibly) last white wolf

2) Try to kill a Black wolf in order to "even out" the packs

Now, regardless of course, the goal would be to kill a wolf.

I think the choice to try and kill off the final white wolf is an interesting one. Namely, assuming that there are only 3 wolves per pack, this would indeed be the last wolf.

I would assume that if a wolf pack dies out, the host would let us know? Therefore if the announcer doesn't let us know AND kills keep happening every night, then we can assume a 4th white wolf (for at least a little while).

In the meantime though, I think we can at least hope that there are only 3 wolves per pack, and that night kills are cut in half if one pack dies out completely. Neither a guarantee, but I think both are at least possible.

Now, if the next wolf we lynch is a completely different role than Investigator, Announcer, and Blocker/Disruptor ... then we can safely assume EITHER an asymmetric model OR 4 wolves per pack.

The only reason to lynch a Black wolf at this point would be either "because they are the most suspicious" or "because we have reason to believe that night kills will not in fact be halved by one pack dying out". Indeed, my initial reaction to Pling dying was "hmm, maybe we should kill a Black wolf next if there is any choice in the matter" but I think the possibility that we could halve the number of night kills is simply too tempting a chance to pass up.

Personally it has seemed to me that several vets have been (to use lewwyn's words) 'backseating' this game for some time. And I suppose its possibly only due to the large size of this particular game. (ie will last a lot longer potentially).

Those three were Gaspar, Zakalwe, and Novice.

However of those three, Gaspar had a decent alibi: his claim of lack of interest, etc.

Now, is this claim enough to escape lynching? No, of course not. But recently, he made a reasonable case against Serdoa that I am inclined to agree upon, at least so far as to see where it leads.

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And as an addendum, I would say that Suspiciousness trumps Uselessness. That is why, for now, I am voting for Serdoa rather than Zak/Novice.

[Injera]

I simply can't be bothered rehashing 1000 posts if people are just going to reply with "I disagree" anyway. Maybe I'm spoiled since we've had such obvious lynchees so far, and I feel Pindicator is the most obvious thing we have today. So I'm a bit bummed that noone else sees it.

I don't expect you to make a case with every post, it's more the issue that it seems like you're offering up 3 choices to the village and saying, "pick your poison." Which one do you feel most strongly about?

And yes, I realize I haven't even voted yet. I'm still processing the freshly reactivated Gaspar and Serdoa. I will vote this evening.

[novice]

Tasunke, I'd like to see you step away from the meta discussion for one second and actually comment on what the players around you are doing.

And Gaspar has an excuse for backseating since he said he would be doing it? Really?

Injera, I'd like to lynch Pindicator, if not him then Gaspar.

[Tasunke]

I would say Gaspar has more of an excuse than the other two, namely his "my life is all scrambled eggs" post seemed fairly legit. But I would agree that the excuse only gets one so far, and he has recently attacked Serdoa. the timing seems about right, given that this is a long game, for Gaspar to start taking a more serious approach to the game. But I guess if he was simply using his excuse and not being sincere, then his timing would be almost "too perfect" but for now I am willing to give Gaspar the benefit of the doubt since he said it was primarily due to "RL contingencies" and he felt quite legit.

As far as Zakalwe, I haven't seen him doing much more than defending himself (which, I guess could be said about me, but I think I've been trying to investigate the meta as a whole, not just to protect myself), and he is a player that I would have thought would have brought more to the table.

As for yourself (novice), now would be the perfect time to go digging up cases, don't you think? As opposed to simply name dropping and waiting for others to build their own cases for you.

As far as Pindicator, he seems to be reading more like WW11 me than WW11 Slowcheetah, as that is the only current case I have for "newbie village vs newbie wolf".

[Catwalk]

If I was a wolf and part of MNGs pack, I'd have saved him. If I was a wolf and part of the other pack I'd have leading him to the gallows torch and pitchfork in hand. There is absolutely no f'ing way I'd let a wolf die and get no credit for it and/or not saved him.

Gaspar

[Serdoa]

Ok, lets get started (Risen 2 led - as so many games with 1st or 3rd person view to headaches for me, anyone has an idea why that is?):

As far as Zakalwe, I haven't seen him doing much more than defending himself (which, I guess could be said about me, but I think I've been trying to investigate the meta as a whole, not just to protect myself), and he is a player that I would have thought would have brought more to the table.

To be exact, you are only investigating the meta and defend yourself. Thats what I am mentioning all the time. novice put it the right way. You are metagaming if it would be better to kill a white or a black wolf, as if we have the choice. But we do not even have a clear suspect to vote for. Look at the votes till now, we are all over the place. You are just filling space.

As for yourself (novice), now would be the perfect time to go digging up cases, don't you think? As opposed to simply name dropping and waiting for others to build their own cases for you.

Maybe you should do that yourself? I mean you talk about backseating "vets", but you yourself have not done anything different. Heck, no one - except for Ichabod - has done much, because the cases were so obvious.

Now, is this claim enough to escape lynching? No, of course not. But recently, he made a reasonable case against Serdoa that I am inclined to agree upon, at least so far as to see where it leads.

And now please show me this case. I'd really like to comment on it, but so far the whole case against me was "he is a risk-taker". Thats fine and all but not all that much for a case. If you really vote for me on that ground, you should vote for yourself, because you certainly do have more evidence pointing at you.

You see, my issue is really that I am getting the feeling you just vote for me because I voted for you. And that does not make sense as a villager, it just helps the wolves. But thinking about all that, I get more and more the feeling that we are two villagers fighting each other, derailing the actual wolf-hunt. So, for now, I'll switch. But for future reference, tahts why I suspect you Tasunke:

a) mostly metagaming postings
b) a role which would fit for the wolves
c) attacking anyone who votes you or suspects you
d) voting on flimsy evidence (if there is evidence at all)

unvote

[Gaspar]

Fair enough Gaspar. Two game-related things from Day 1 I'd like you to comment on.

You're assuming the packs know each other at the start of the game, which contradicts your strong assertion recently that it would be ridiculous.

No, I was asserting that if I were a wolf I'd have picked up on MNG's suspicious behavior the same way everyone else did. As a wolf in the other pack I'd make the assumption that he was one of two things: A wolf in the other pack or a strong power role. In either case, I'd be happy to lynch him. At no point have I ever believed or even considered really that the packs know one another. It just makes no sense to me.

On a re-read of that a while back, I noticed you said 1-2 day periods which just struck me as unusual given in light of Tasunke's power's (as of that time unrevealed) limitation.

Here I was assuming that Tasunke could use his power every night for "x" nights, as has been the case with the power roles in recent games. So giving him 1-2 day periods meant he'd get a couple of chances to use his power and we could assess from there.

[Gaspar]

Additionally, I think the discussion has devolved into "I don't like you, you don't like me" blah, blah, blah voting. We should all take a step back.

[Tasunke]

No, I was asserting that if I were a wolf I'd have picked up on MNG's suspicious behavior the same way everyone else did. As a wolf in the other pack I'd make the assumption that he was one of two things: A wolf in the other pack or a strong power role.

So are you saying that you did *not* pick up on MNG's suspiciousness due to him being villager ... or are you saying that you thought MNG had a power role (and as village would not want a village power lynched). Which is it?

Because the first statement makes me think that you are saying "If I was a wolf, I would be more sensitive to people's suspiciousness."

Please clarify.

[Tasunke]

change "due to him being villager" to "due to you being villager" in my first line (of course)