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Serdoa · August 24th, 2012, 07:25

Meiz Wrote:Nice Just got another idea for "why he's still alive" speculation. Wolves knew my ability is identical to Injera (well, they could at least make a sure bet). My ability sucks.

What? Why would they care if your ability is identical to Injera (I guess you mean your mindworm ability; if you talk about your neighbor ability you have contradicted yourself within 6 hours)? If they nightkill you and you show up with that ability as villager, there would be even less reason to lynch Injera as he claimed to have the same and therefore someone would certainly mention that lynching our only defense against the mindworms is bad.

Meiz · August 24th, 2012, 08:12

Serdoa Wrote:Yes exactly, Injeras and Tasunkes role descriptions are different because they have different roles. Injera is a NAP-neighbor, Tasunke a village-neighbor. I also bet thestick has the same description as Tasunke, you know why? Yeah, because he is a village-neighbor.

Now, who else does have a similar description than Injera? Oh right, thats you Meiz. Yes you now state it is different, but in your first post about this topic (which is linked in the post you now linked) you described that in your role description you are told that Tasunke is unsure of your alignment. And thats the same in Injeras role description regarding thestick. But Tasunke didn't have that part included.

What I mean is, Tasunke and thestick both got the info of their neighbors names, and neither of them gained mindworm ability (at least I assume thestick didn't gain one). So their roles (and probably descriptions) are the same, because they have identical roles, but they do not have the same role as me and Injera have. I'm assuming they gained / will gain some other ability, not "immunie to mindworm attacks", or they do not gain any additional abilities.

Me and Injera are the second pair of identical roles. Our alignments are different, so our role descriptions are different as well. Injera is missing the "you don't know his alignment" part, which I have in my role pm. I said that already in the link I posted, at the beginning of the game. Injera just commented the "your partner does not know your alignment" part.

Summary:
Tas and thestick have identical roles and abilities.
Me and Injera as well, but different alignment.
Injera and Tas do not have identical roles = different descriptions.

Serdoa Wrote:I mean, read your own interactions with Injera on that topic. You both told us on several occasions that you have the same role. You even once wrote that you are happy to know now that he is not your evil counterpart. And now you tell me "no no no, my role is different". Yeah, I am sure.

I've always talked about his role, not his alignment. They are separate things.

By "evil-counterpart" I meant that I thought he had gained mindworm attack ability, while I gained mindworm defense ability. I did not speak of our alignments at that point.

Serdoa Wrote:What? Why would they care if your ability is identical to Injera (I guess you mean your mindworm ability; if you talk about your neighbor ability you have contradicted yourself within 6 hours)? If they nightkill you and you show up with that ability as villager, there would be even less reason to lynch Injera as he claimed to have the same and therefore someone would certainly mention that lynching our only defense against the mindworms is bad.

I was trying to say that one reason is most likely that there are far more powerful abilities than I have, I'm not the first priority on the kill list. Seer, possible name seer, possible baner etc.

thestick · August 24th, 2012, 09:16

Serdoa Wrote:thestick, does your role-PM tells you

a) that your neighbour does not know your alignment
b) that you don't know your neighbours alignment
c) both

Please just answer a, b or c.

B. I did not know Injera's alignment.

thestick · August 24th, 2012, 09:17

Also, if anyone wants the logs of the rest of the QuickTopic, I'll be happy to release them.

Meiz · August 24th, 2012, 09:24

thestick Wrote:Also, if anyone wants the logs of the rest of the QuickTopic, I'll be happy to release them.

Definitely

thestick · August 24th, 2012, 09:37

QuickTopic before Day 3

Apparently, we're going for a night lynch tonight. Isn't that a bit dangerous, giving out so much information to the NAP-ers?

Here's the QuickTopic:

Serdoa · August 24th, 2012, 09:54

Ahem, ok...

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Well, Meiz just claimed the same power that you did, 'neural amplifier,' blocks mindworm attacks.

Can you please point me to the post in this thread that states that Meiz has the "neural amplifier" ability? I can't find it. And I can't find it in your quicktopic either. To be exact, the first time I read that was when I read Biggers deathmessage for Injera. When were you told ... and more importantly, where were you told?

Serdoa · August 24th, 2012, 09:56

Ah forgot it, page 114 it is.

thestick · August 24th, 2012, 09:57

Meiz Wrote:Then out of nowhere I received PM from bigger which stated that I gained "neutral amplifier" ability. Attacks from mindworms will fail against me. That's it.

I thought that Meiz meant 'neural' instead of 'neutral' given he's immune to mindworms.

By 'the same power as you did,' I was referring to blocking mindworm attacks, not that Injera's power was named 'neural amplifier.'

BRickAstley · August 24th, 2012, 10:11

Bobchillingworth Wrote:The truth often does! =)

So do untoward claims. bang

At this point, I'm past really caring though. I'll say what I've said before, all I've tried to do is learn to be helpful from the start, and I know I've screwed it up being new and all and not knowing what to say or having the best way of stating things, but whatever. Maybe next game I'll be able to construct some reasoning to be able to help more, and to have people actually listen to something that I say for once, since pretty much NOBODY has this entire game. Nevertheless, I do still wanna help so I'll respond to this last post in case someone hears me out.

Quote:That you would have been "fine" with lynching Injera and "probably" were going to lynch for him counts for exactly bupkis. I would be fine with lynching every wolf in this game a dozen times over, heck I am probably going to just lynch one after another in a parade of sequential vengeance until we win in three or four days or whatever. Oh hey I guess I'm a trusted villager now right?

This is my fault. I had already decided to lynch Injera, but in my reasoning over posts I realized that thestick was still getting by unnoticed at this point. This bothered me, because I'm convinced that he's a mind worm (and/or maybe Maniac). I knew that I was going to switch back over to him unless somehow thestick picked up votes, but i didn't state it definitely enough as I was sure of in my own mind. Of course any spark of potential wavering is a for-shizzle wolf tell here, so I understand why it's a problem for you, and I regret not making sure that I was clear with my intentions.

Quote:What matters are votes. You didn't vote for Injera until it was too late to matter. The only people who have any reason to pile votes on like that are wolves, so that they can later point to them and say "hey, I can't be a wolf- I totally once voted for one!". Your vote on thestick was also too late to matter; if you actually thought that both he and Injera were suspicious enough to lynch, you should have voted for Injera on one of the occasions when it was tied between him & Selrahc. You had the opportunity.

To be honest, no, I didn't. Yesterday was re-starting fall classes at University, and I had to go to a class intro from 45 min before deadline to 15 min before deadline. All the extra bandwagoning and drama happened in that half hour, which is why I didn't vote and why I went Ack so much drama. Now I know that real life reasons for being absent don't even matter in these games though, so I know that no one cares about that.

This is all that my thought process was with that lay on thestick. "Injera's doomed to die and I agree he should. I suspect someone else, so I'll try and at least get his name in everybody's heads. I know that bar a sudden bandwagon on thestick, I'll change to Injera when I get back before the deadline." *come back a bit later* "Well, like I thought no one jumped on thestick. I'll go ahead and move to Injera like I said I would and make sure there's no wolf resurgence to save him."

I won't say anything else here because that's the truth.

Quote:This also all ignores that fact that you look much more suspicious at this point than either Sareln or Molach. Molach was part of the core group which kept their votes on Injera, plus he has that absurd diary thing for village cred coming out of his ass. Sareln cast the kill vote on Injera- the sort of decisive, pro-village action you avoided. Not to mention that Sareln's Drone Saga logic posts read strongly village as well. And if Sareln & Molach aren't NAP, well...

I just don't understand. Molach yeah he's cool, I don't suspect him too much now either. But Sareln?

Really?

How is the fact that he lurked this whole game until his head was on the line instead of trying to help not suspicious? I will agree that his logic posts were very helpful, and I wish I had had the time or foresight to try and analyze for the village myself, but they came at a time to try and save his head.

How is the fact that he spearheaded a lynch attempt on a villager right after that not suspicious? I don't think Mattiemo even really had a lot of negatives to offer a lynch but even still that's where Sareln's attention went.

How does posting Drone logic that concludes that the most likely scenario is that one of the drones is NAP clear his name? By his own admission it makes the most sense for a drone to be NAP, due to the roles we know, the fact that I wasn't told what a drone riot is, and the possibilities for night protection from scrying/vig kills/etc. He also kept saying that the ability was no night-kill, when by Mattiemo's own role it's no night action, to try and downplay the usefulness to the NAP. And no one considers that he might be double bluffing?

And most frustrating, how does his last vote clear his name? He was on Selrahc, up until right after Selrahc claimed Baner. Now it would be bad for a wolf to keep voting on a claimed villager, so he has to move over to Injera to make sure that he isn't suspect. It's not like he had any sort of noble choice there. But he didn't even move right over to Injera! He unvoted first, and I have no idea how that would count to help the village any, other than a hesitation to vote for one of his fellow wolves.

Gah. I didn't know WW would make me wanna banghead

so much. I feel you Lewwyn.

thestick Wrote:Reasons why I'm a bad Werewolf player:
44: Not realizing my neighbor was a wolf
45: Needing a wolf to save me from certain lynch

Bye, Injera.

Reasons why you're a good Werewolf player: No one is suspecting you're a mindworm.

That's the other thing that frustrates me. We have confirmation of a second faction/person being able to kill at night, both due to a second kill in a night, and the death of a person with the ability to be immune to it. And no one cares. I don't know if it's just a static hidden 3rd faction, or some sort of Cultist deal that's been recruiting, or even just a serial killer. Fact is it's there, and I don't think anyone could convince me otherwise, and nobody, NOBODY seems to care. Since they're a threat to the village too, why don't we try to at least somewhat find them out before they win?

Though my paranoia about that dream tells me I'm probably going to die to them tonight no matter what happens now, so I'll at least get that out into the open before my death. smile

My money is on thestick for sure, and very likely Maniac as well if it's not just a Serial Killer ordeal.

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