WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[waterbat]

thanks pind. funny - my thoughts are very similar.

You could have included me on Azza there. I didnt understand why people wanted to wait so long. And also the Mero instead of Selrahc seemed odd to me too.

My 2 suspected wolf teams seemed too easy as well:
zak-azza-selrahc
azza-mjw-selrahc? (wasnt sure about a third here)

but i think much will change as we should get scanner claim and gun claim (maybe) tonight.

Do you think we should do these claims just before dawn? take advantage of the ability to do that before possibly dying?

I guess the downside would be if a pass were to fail for some reason - you've claimed, but still have the item? with the jailer gone, is this even possible? well, i guess under the new BS about passing to a dead person, you could randomly get your item back? I dont think Brick specificed if the person passing the item would be included in the pool of random recipients. I think we have 11 items still circulating with 13 players.

[waterbat]

would like input from anyone on the claiming.

as far as my teams.

if Azza is scum, its probably unlikely
Azza's last post with 12 hours to go until lynch:

Can't remember if I've said this, but what the fuck Tasunke. Seriously, what the fuck.


Ok, now that I've gotten that out of my system, Selrahc needs to let us know who he thinks is suspicious. I don't think I've seen a single post from him yet that looks at who he thinks is suspicious.

but.... at the time it wasnt apparent Selrahc was going to end up with Mero in a tie ----- so.... not sure if this is worth anything.

[waterbat]

oops meant probably unlikely Selrahc is teammate.

[uberfish]

My opinion is that everyone who had votes on them deserved to be up there as a suspect, the end of day consolidation was pretty random because no one wanted to be the first to move, and we just got unlucky.

[novice]

And i hate that ppl were lynching merovech for lurking but gave selrahc a free pass.

I can't remember anybody using lurking as an argument for Merovech's lynch. People said he had done nothing to convince them he was town, that's different.

[Serdoa]

Vote analysis only works when you know at least the alignment of both players which were up for lynch. Another reason to lynch Selrahc tomorrow if he does not add anything to his game. Also waterbat has still a long way to go to prove that he actually is working for the village (and waterbat, your latest posts are certainly not helping your case imo, see that Selrahc-Azza connection post which seems more like you try really hard to come up with something, as you yourself note that it probably has no meaning with that much time still on the clock).

I would also still be much in favor of a MJW-lynch, his latest posts didn't help his case imo. But if you didn't want to vote for him yesterday I doubt I can sway you today (especially as I am probably dead).

Lewwyn, zak... guys, start playing for real, ok? You are better than what was provided so far. I know the thread was hard to follow the last days, but it should be getting better now and I really hope you will provide more. Imo we had several posts that were at least worthwhile to question, and I really am surprised why no one is doing it (no, I can't, I am questioning so much already that it is ignored mostly). Also, if someone provides a case and you are uncertain about it, question it. Get it explained. Don't just ignore it.

Q, Ryan: Stop the pissing contest. Right now I am pretty certain that neither of you actually is a wolf. I know it is hard, for different reasons, for both of you to make one big post instead of many small ones, but if possible, try it. It is really hard to follow any conversation when there are 20 posts inbetween which all need to be read in unity in order to understand what is meant. I think you both have interesting points to provide for the discussion, but it is simply lost due to too many posts in total. Also as a tip: If you think you have found something, focus on that. If not necessary, don't provide 20 other small things (which in 90% of the cases are highly subjective anyhow). It only gets people to skim your cases (look at mine, they are a prime example of how not to do it).

Scum-leans:

MJW
Selrahc

pindi
uberfish
zak

Azza should be board-scanned. His action does seem fairly villagery (he stopped a discussion that could have drawn out the real vig) but I can easily see him do that for town-cred as scum, especially if he really has the lockpicks and tried to steal from Tasunke (makes sense for village [he could use the pistol earlier again, as item usage happens before steal] and for scum [Tasunke hinted at a strong item and is known for claiming early]). I actually lean more scum for him, due to him not giving the explanation I have for why he tried to steal. And if he is village, he should have thought about what happens if he steals the item, in case Tasunke has the pistol -> he should have explained his action with that he could have used it earlier again. But he didn't. And that makes me wary that he himself did never think about that, but only stole from him because he hoped to take a strong item away from town.

Actually

Azza

[Serdoa]

Also Azza - what was your reasoning behind using the picklock on Tasunke? I think that's a very high risk / low reward item to use, especially if you steal from a snitch.

Simple. He alluded to having a powerful item, likely the gun. If he was scum, it had to be taken from him, and if he was village, I didn't trust him to be able to use it effectively. I honestly thought he was scum based on how he'd been playing, and when catching him out lying I was certain of it, but apparently he was just playing a terrible village game...

Thats Azzas explanation for why he stole from Tasunke. He says he honestly thought that Tasunke was scum. That would be fine, but his explanation for the case that Tasunke would in fact be village ist

"I didn't trust him to be able to use if effectively"

I can understand the general sentiment here. But as village, that actually makes not much sense. Tasunke would not be able to use that strong item more than once (pistol, board are passed). But he would be able to use it before Azza can steal it. Shouldn't Azza have realized that as villager, thinking about his steal? I sure would check that.

Much more, for the case that Tasunke is a villager, should the reasoning not read more along the lines "I thought due to his hinting that he would probably be nightkilled, and so I could at least save the item"? Something along the lines of actually helping the village? But it reads more like Tasunke-bashing ("he wouldn't know how to use it"). That does not sit right with me, it does simply not sound like a villager player for his villages win.

[pindicator]

You think I'm scum Serdoa? Oh please, i hope you arent just upset i didn't follow you blindly onto MJW. Just cause you're confirmed town doesnt mean i think you're always right

[Serdoa]

No, it is not because of that. God, do I really appear that angry and easily upset? I mean I am, but only if I feel someone is getting personal, but certainly not just because someone is disagreeing. I do stand up for my own opinion and sometimes probably too much, which is appearing pretty bone-headed I guess. I know it is hard to get me to reconsider - but it is not impossible. Mostly it has to do with actually giving me the feeling that my arguments are considered and not simply brushed off. I guess that has something to do with my mother being always very strict when I was young. (Glad, my wife is a psychologist...)

Anyhow, no I am not upset that you didn't follow on MJW. Who knows if I was right? I certainly don't right now. Scum would, but I guess they won't tell us. No. I am not upset and I don't consider you scum for that. It really has more to do with your posts giving me the feeling of too much focus on one player and not enough considering of what is going on overall. Thats certainly not enough to vote for you right now, but it is enough to make me lean more to scum for you than village.

[Ryan]

Serdoa , I would actually like if you wrote your last will and everything on your mind. I think you or Novice are dying tonight..