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WW25 - Game Thread

Oh and as to what I think about Lewwyn, I would have thought its obviously from what I posted that I find him the 2nd most scummy person still playing. As we dont know how many scum there are however that means I could still guess him as village in a 1 WW left game.

PS only just realised that vig shot cost us our double vote as well as killing zak the villager
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Yeah I was just overconfident that zak was a wolf. I thought I'd cracked this game because I turned out to be right on Novice and Gazglum. I posted my case at the beginning of the day so it's wrong to state that he was just shot for "not contributing"

still rereading as I get time during the day, still finding it hard to evaluate Q.

Had no way of knowing jkaen's double vote would expire, and I'm not too bothered about it tbh.
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(July 3rd, 2013, 05:19)Jkaen Wrote: Lewwyn generally is held to the same standards (all be it igven the first 2 days with lesser expectations). So far I have seen him pretty much contribute nothing other than a day 1 kill that may or may not have been a vig kill.

Well this is misinformation bullshit. Go ahead and check but I've been active and presenting cases throughout this entire game. Go look at the novice lynch and look at what point I was in on it. Q voted for novice early in the day then switched off, then I got on novice. THEN pindi. I was attacking him through day two as well as gaz first thing on day 2. Just go and look I've been actively pursuing lynches and participating in the discussions, which is a helluva lot more than you've done.
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(July 3rd, 2013, 05:22)Jkaen Wrote: PS only just realised that vig shot cost us our double vote as well as killing zak the villager

What do you mean cost us the double vote? Aren't you the double voter?
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Oh wait I just saw that post. I should wake up before posting.
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i think pindicator never answered, so i ask you brick.
did you know pindicator was going to block gaz?
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(July 3rd, 2013, 09:43)Jowy Wrote: i think pindicator never answered, so i ask you brick.
did you know pindicator was going to block gaz?

I'm pretty sure I already answered this but no I had no idea.
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okay i did some re-read.

first here is my lynch order:

jkaen (wolf)
brick (serial killer)
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qg
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mattimeo
lewwyn
uber

lets go from least to most order:

uber:
- biggest contributor in game
- start attack on gaz as first one and kept going. distancing? no. more like sacrifice if both wolf. and i doubt sacrifice so early when so few wolf in game.
- ability makes sense
- kill on zak bad timing yes. but i think wolf would not kill zak. zak was likely target for us. after zak dead, case could be made of anyone really. higher chance of villager lynching you or your ally. wolf would kill someone else and let villagers kill zak.

lewwyn:
- ability makes sense now after pindicator second reveal. lewwyn could kill 2 ghoul and protect us from them yes, but also could kill pindicator who arguably strongest villager role.
- second to call out gaz day 2, which seal gaz fate in end. again wolf sacrifice not likely.
- was tracked by matt twice in row, then next night villager dead. if it was lewwyn, why assume that not tracked anymore and perform kill? if matt track either lewwyn or pindicator, lewwyn would get caught. lewwyn did not know that matt tracking had stopped working.

mattimeo:
- could at any point frame lewwyn, but did not
- call out gaz on his bullshit post #427, just type of post that i really doubt scum buddies would do
- initiated matt+lewwyn disaster, which i think if he or both were wolf, he would never do. too much attention.
- unfortunate timing to stop tracking. also wolf seem to knew that tracking stop since they kill obvious tracked target pindicator. this really huge against matt, and i would look at matt again if my current theory wrong.
- reason for not sharing that tracking will stop was good.

qg:
- has not done anything scummy that i could see, has been helpful
- however, kinda hard to read. either really great liar or villager. i think lying this good and long has very low chance, so i tend to think villager.

brick:
- ability not make sense.. but does it? if he is serial killer it does. sanity goes low enough, brick go insane and become serial killer. suddenly ability make perfect sense.
- explains complex read everyone has on brick.
- explains fake PR. read zak good post #745. it didnt make perfect sense back then because zak thinks brick wolf. but if brick serial killer, it's spot on.
- also parallel to my own thinking before game.. i was newbie, i did not have confidence or even know all rules. i read that game was all about reading into others post, so i made up this barrier. it was day 1 when i ask serdoa whether dead villagers win when village wins (among other things, like do wolf know each other yet since we start day and not night like in guide). as i see more of how the game is played, i start realize that my gimmick hurt my team, but could not drop gimmick because people say that change in style means scum, and i did not want villager to mis-lynch me, because that puts village in disadvantage. i did not want village to suffer just because i decided to be silly noob. so instead i keep going. i gain confidence and learn how this game is played. now at this point i still fear that my stupid gimmick might cost village if im now mis-lynched, but im confident enough in my theory and at our collective evidence that this will not be the case. i feel i need to bring this up because only i have this connection with brick. i know what hes doing. only difference between us was the reason: i was not confident because i was noob, brick was not confident because hes serial killer who need to reach the end game himself to have shot at win.

jkaen:
- considering how active he is now, i think early sparse posting just plot to fly under radar. has to be active now because so many non-contributor are dead that his turn soon.
- whole game he feels bit confused and has hard time making cases. maybe because he know who are wolf and who are not?
- double vote reveal very late (could really help us earlier knowing double vote not scum tactic!) and used in anti-village manner most of game.



So yeah, I guess no point in writing like a retard anymore. Sorry about it, both for being annoying and distracting. At least it didn't cost us the game. Even if I'm wrong about how you guys react, and you do end up killing me for this, we will still have a good shot at winning. Mainly thanks to Pindicator's perfect game smile Let's not let his efforts go to waste.
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I really doubt BRick is SK.
If he is he got the worst role out of the lot, even if he does have kill immunity as well.
No, I think its either 2 or 1 wolves.

I don't like that Jowy leaps on the easiest cases (in practical order of ease).
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Oh and I couldn't care less that you're being legible Jowy.
It is annoying but I don't think it effects your reads/guilt at all.
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