Nudist Progression

[Xyngynkynyn]

with guest star Renelle Belle. Thanks for joining in the fun, Xyngy.

It's Renebelle (Glamoring) and your welcome. It was interesting working with 20 energy and 2 pips of regen and pretty much amazed by the ease we had of doing both the mission and the bonus. I had fun.

[Drasca]

Its really really not too hard. It can get hard, but it obviously wasn't with a team of 6 well trained well organized people.

PS: I have the CE now... Woohoo. Now I must go lay down from my headache.

[Zed-F]

Debating remaking my nudist as a Rt. Any opinions on that?

[KingOfPain]

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Me too but mainly because Vex is not on my main account and I want her there. One big draw back fo me tho - NO FUNKY HATS


KoP

[FoxBat]

As a compromise between purity and pliability, I suggest perhaps a concept of "pioneering" apply to nudists.

Whenever a character encounters a fresh challenge that the nudist team has never done before, and they wish to bring the rewards of surmounting that challenge into the nudist team, then they must attempt that challenge nude and without outside assistance.

So for example first time nudists attempt a mission as a team without any clothes. If a nudist is absent, it is OK to play catch up on that mission by being run, wearing clothes and traveling with a pug, etc. This is pretty much how we have been doing things anyway.

Applied to factions, it would imply that an individual or small team must "pioneer" shing jae following the nudist rules. As advancement is relatively fast this shouldn't take too long... though given the greater difficulty/slower pace of nudists, may take a whole month for a weekly meeting team. But after being done once, anyone could then run their nudist there.


Seeing as pioneering here is time and slot-consuming, another option would be to rule that our team has seen enough high-level dangers that nothing shing jae offers can even compare in terms of difficulty, so it can be inferred that nudists are quite capable of beating it, rather than needing to demonstrate. Though maybe we should wait until proving ourselves in the desert missions before getting so confident?

Another can o worms this opens up: all non-elite factions skills are avaliable to anyone who owns factions right now... it's not a very difficult quest to get to Kaineng center, and then you can buy any non-elite skill, so quite reachable by nudist rules. There might be an issue of many of us not tracking whether our money is "pure" and nudists only use money they have acquired to go purchasing these expensive skills... but then again skill points are not so abundant in prophecies and would place a proper limit anyway... EXCEPT a few of us want to use our limited nudist slot for other things since reaching level 20, losing track of how many skill points have been fairly earned while nude... ugh.

Proposed solution: either keep factions skills banned for now, OR allow all non-elite skills with no questions asked. Perhaps waiting until Ascension when almost all non-elites are avaliable anyway. If we wait for Dakk though, well I have a feeling the summer will be over.

Elite skill problem: all your rit elites are scattered around cantha. How are you going to cap them while the team is running around tyria? Should one be allowed to bring in elites that were not capped while nude? Would that significantly taint the variant as some of these caps are extremely difficult? Then again, capping elites in Tyria is an extremely time-consuming process, since many are spread out in obscure areas of the shiverpeaks that the team does not need to visit at all for story progress. We may need to rethink our elite-allowance strategy here, especially since we will be hitting the desert real soon when elites start to show up, because forcing us to cap elites we want would either be a huge time-consuming burden on the team, or else pressure us being fairly selective about which elites to cap and consciencious of team time constraints... and additionally not very flexible for guests to come and "undress" with us.

[Zed-F]

Well, without deleting my current E/R nudist, I started a new Rt, who is going for a nudist survivor badge. We'll see how well that works out.

[Zed-F]

Well, without deleting my current E/R nudist, I started a new Rt, who is going for a nudist survivor badge. We'll see how well that works out.

So much for that plan. It worked ok until I tried to tackle a Dragon Lily boss in the Haiju Lagoon. I cleared out a bunch of other Dragon Lilies surrounding the island he was hiding out on without much difficulty, but something funny happened when I tried to tackle the boss and his cronies. The fight seemed to be going tolerably; though I was taking a few more hits than I liked, my party's spirits and healing were keeping things under control. We had a couple adds but only once we'd killed a few of the boss's cronies, so it looked ok. I was starting to refresh my Shadowsong when a Grasping Root came up and poisoned me. No problem, I thought, I'll just let the Shadowsong complete, back off and heal. Then the Dragon Lily boss decides to target me too. I start to take some damage, but not too badly, and the monk hench tosses a breeze on me to keep things cool. Then suddenly, just as Shadowsong is about to complete and I'm about to get the heck out of dodge, I go from half health to dead. So much for my survivor run, terminated at level 16. (I could have been as high as 18-19 if I'd gone back and finished all the quests I'd skipped... but not 20. I was trying to get some more mobs killed to earn another level before I went back to finish those quests.)

I'm not sure what happened there. Perhaps Union went down at a bad time, or perhaps the Dragon Lily boss was hiding a Shatter Enchantment that Dragon Lilies don't normally have. Perhaps the monk hench had had her main healing spells diverted and couldn't do much other than breeze. That Dragon Lily boss went on to wipe the rest of my group as well, so the latter seems like a strong possibility.

In retrospect, I'm pretty sure I would not have died there if I hadn't been going as a nudist. The dragon lily arrows were what got me into the position where I could be spiked in the first place. Getting to lv20 without dying in Cantha is certainly possible, and perhaps a bit easier than in Tyria... but on the other hand, that doesn't mean there aren't dangerous places to watch out for on noob island. (WB also had a survivor run get terminated on the eastern side of the island, and I was never all that comfortable fighting the higher-level tengu there as a nudist... not to mention the afflicted and their soul explosions.)

I'm pretty sure I could do it if I tried again; I know one or two things I could have done differently to increase my odds of making it next time. But then again... do I really want to bother?

I think I'll get her to Tyria as a nudist so I can participate with her in nudist games instead.

EDIT: Ok, I changed my mind. One more try. I want to be able to say I did it.

[KingOfPain]

Ok, I changed my mind. One more try. I want to be able to say I did it.

LoL

My survivor attempt ended when I logon one day and found the progress bar gone. /deaths says she died 3 time. BS! She was almost 16.


KoP

[Zed-F]

I may be on late or not at all for nudists tonight, depending on how the work we're doing on our floors goes today. I got my nudist past Sanctum Cay to Amaroon Oasis just in case (though if I am on in time and can participate I'll gladly do it again 'for real' with the rest of the team.)

On the bright side, I finished my nudist survivor run successfully yesterday. And then promptly died a couple times trying to kill Quimeg. But then, there was a reason I hadn't tried to kill him earlier...

[FoxBat]

I'm packing up tonight to fly out halfway across the country tommorow, leave for my flight around 6 AM... and being the procrastinator I am, am starting to pack right around now. So that's 2 1/2 hours I don't really have anymore... my character already has waypoints beyond (much, MUCH beyond) sanctum cay so no worries about catching up... you just may have to rely on drasca instead for the healing. Sorries about the late notice, maybe you folks should conscript another guest, protecting the vizer (AND doing bonus simultaneously?) could be challenging for the slow nudist kill rate...