A new mod enters the ring - Introducing "Close to Home"

[Mjmd]

And why does no one play Russia? Because both their UU and UB are LATE. IE the fact that the American UU is at writing is why I think its too good and why I at least like the compromise of moving it back to currency.

Every other early GP UB you have to work slots (Arabian, Egypt, & Rome). The extra food from American UB is a big deal. With it you can whip units or infrastructure, split off food for a new city, or just simple work more tiles. The food, opportunity cost, difficulty of types, and sheer time involved is why a lot of people never reach a 3rd GA. The American UB helps with all of those as well as just enabling things faster.

[pindicator]

I really recommend you play with America in a game. It's either a weak PHI or you delay your GP generation to get a novelty great person earlier than normal. The effect greatly reduces after the first couple of Great People.

I'd think 65 shows the Madrassa is clearly stronger for Great People generation

[civac2]

Dunno about that. Early GPs you can produce with a library are mostly scientists which are not that good. Both engineers and especially merchants are more interesting.

[RefSteel]

Since we are touching the modern era. I remember that people said that nukes have too much range back in PB59. To that extend I would like to turn back to my naval changes, but only do the following:

Submarine: Cargo Space: 1 (can carry Scout, Explorer, Missionary, Spy, or Great People)
Attack Submarine: Cargo Space for 3 missiles

This is an esoteric random note, but I believe Caravels currently upgrade to Attack Subs. If the change above is made, I would suggest also changing Caravels so they upgrade to regular subs, since the reason for this upgrade path is presumably the Caravel's ability to carry a single civilian. (I admit that this is very silly.)

[Amicalola]

Fwiw, from a lurker perspective it seemed like Charriu was about to completely run away with things in the diplo game using the American UB. He combined it with PHI, which I don't think the other people have yet. The difference between +5 and +2 is pretty large, to my eyes (although I'm not very good at using or thinking about GPs, so I'm not really sure). I doubt that the Madrassa is stronger, though.

Edit: I would tend to guess the CL is too strong on maps that are not lush (free pseudo-specialist), and acceptable on maps that are. A bit like ORG with Monarch and Emperor. I'm not sure what we should do, if that's correct. (Although this is my yearly petition to nerf ORG, which is clearly overpowered on Emperor, which is the recent norm for difficulty )

[Tarkeel]

There was some joking in a spoiler thread about replacing the german UB with a beer hall, so my proposal is:

Bier haus: Granary replacement with +1 happy

Normally UBs with happy bonus aren't all that good, but the granary is something that's built everywhere, and the extra happy will make a difference in the early game by allowing more whipping. The effect can be toned up with 2 happy (which I think is too much), or slightly down by +1 happy for wheat and corn.

[Charriu]

I'm not against it, but the more appropiate name would be Brauerei (Brewery)

[Miguelito]

The effect can be toned up with 2 happy (which I think is too much), or slightly down by +1 happy for wheat and corn.

Maize, in German beer? Blasphemy!

[Tarkeel]

The effect can be toned up with 2 happy (which I think is too much), or slightly down by +1 happy for wheat and corn.

Maize, in German beer? Blasphemy!

I know, right? At least I didn't go for rice.

This isn't a very serious proposal BTW; I kinda like Germany for what it is, but I thought it was worth bringing up.

[Charriu]

I see it this way. Out of all the CtH games so far Germany was only chosen willingly 1 time (PB61). 1 time it was chosen at random in PB69 and another time in PB59, which was somewhat random, somewhat willingly. From what I've read people found Germany more interesting compared to BtS thanks to the new UU. I've would say wait a few more games and if Germany still doesn't get so much love in civ choice, we could try something with the UB.