Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[novice]

BTW I thought I had at least another 24 hours did I miss somthing or am I just forgetful.

You have 17.5 hours. The day phase ends at 1600 hours GMT tomorrow.

[novice]

Maybe someone can see a light after all this nonsense I wrote...

I think your idea that a wolf would need to go "deep cover" to win the end game is pretty good. I'm not a wolf though, but this is sort of why I've postulated an "active wolf" (Zakalwe, scooter and Rowain being my prime suspects for the role).

I can't think of any other players right now who are trusted based more on their votes than on their posts (and would thusly be candidates for your "deep cover" role). Well, maybe you - but it seems unlikely to postulate one's own role.

I know I can come across as suspicious, I did in WW1 as well initially. I just like to keep the cards somewhat close to my chest, especially in a no PM game. When I know that my actions exonerate me, I play even more secretively. If I had missed on the Selrahc vote (or if Cull had been lynched on day 1, putting me in a bad light), I would probably have adapted my style.

Others have talked about playing the wolf role like a villager, I guess I play the villager role like a wolf.

[Rowain]

@Rowain: Got any other suspects?

Yes several but nobody liked to vote on Lewwyn or on another candidate so I stuck with you if you on't mind (at least for now)


@Ichabod yep it is what I fear the whole time. It would explain Lewwyn's last second switch (avoided that novice has to choose between 2 villagers which would spoil his record). It would explain the weak defense of Selrahc and the strange voting on day 2 in general.
It would explain his strange posts (another of 'A wolf would never do such a thing').

Still I'm not entirely convinced of it. Losing him when he is a villager would cost us dearly. Thats why I voted Lewwyn first

[Mardoc]

I'm not pegging novice as innocent, but for so long as Rowain's identity remain unkown I believe he deserve some credit for making the "right" call day 2. A wolf voting to kill other wolves isn't much of a liability, and I do like novice's forceful last minute switches. Bottom line, anyone trying to lynch him today will have to deal with me. Capice?

I think this may be the best summary of novice, at the moment. Even if he does turn out to be a wolf (maybe I should adopt Lewwyn's voting method?), we do still have 3 other wolves to kill, and if he's aiming for deep cover, he'll help us do so.

And if novice is a villager, then we lose the one who's best at seeing through the wolves and at making sure they get hammered at the deadline.

I'll admit, Ichabod's description of novice fits my previous thoughts - his posts were suspicious and helped launch me on the 5 wolves theory, but his voting is impeccable as best we can tell.

[Irgy]

Well, I've got something to confess to everyone. I'm suffering complete wolf-identifaction burn-out. No-one in the village seems like a wolf to me. My current belief is that the wolves have spread their votes in a manner which tells us nothing, and that they're all acting close to exactly how they would act as villagers. What that leaves me with is a few people who I basically honestly don't believe could pull it off, and the rest are suspicious.

The only person I'd say I have a slightly higher than zero suspicion of is Bruidane. He just seems to me to be playing the game, coming up with theories, not caring all that much whether they're right or wrong. Doing his best not to justify them if he can help it. Accepting holes when they're pointed out to him, and readjusting, but avoiding any detailed debate. He just doesn't seem to care as much as other people what happens.

I'm amused by the failure of Jkaen's villager ratings, but it doesn't make him seem like a wolf to me particularly. I think he just doesn't know the right things to look for to put people in the "high suspicion" range. And in his defense, neither do I, and neither do the rest of us as evidenced by the wealth of votes on villagers so far.

Ichabod: It's a perfectly good theory, and it could be true, I just don't think it is. The fact of the matter is, now is not the time to hunt deep-cover wolves. When we have only a few players left, it's much easier to pick them out. When we have a lot of players, not just is it harder to find them, it's also not as useful to find them. If they're running deep cover, happily voting for other wolves and so on, it doesn't help that much to catch them. Wolves who are properly sabotaging the village's efforts, yes we need to catch them sooner rather than later. Wolves who are helping the village to improve their cover we just need to catch before the game ends.

Looks like Mardoc just gave a similar argument while I was writing the rest of my post. Well, I'm sticking with what I wrote anyway, it gives maybe a bit more detail or at least a different angle.

Someone said earlier that fire&ice was possibly acting like I was in WW2. From what I can gather, fire&Ice and myself are two extremely different personalities, so the comparison seems frankly a little ridiculous to me. However I'd conceed it's possible at least he's "making the same mistakes" that I was. I don't really buy that either though. To me right now he's just not trying hard enough. No-one's particularly trying to help him, even subtley, that I can see. To me he just seems like a villager who doesn't have enough time to contribute to the game as well as he'd like to. Given that, he's making all the classic villager reactions to the situations he's been in. All that means sod-all of course, except until I ask the important question: "Do I think this is a role he could pull off as well as he is?". Personally, I think the answer is "no". And if he was good enough to pull it off, it's an awful choice of role to play, as demonstrated by the fact that he's winning the vote-count at the moment, despite having played it so well.

So I'm going to vote to protect fire&ice today, and stick my vote on someone I think could be faking the villager who they seem to be. Which for now might as well stay the person I'm voting for already, Mr Nice Guy.

[scooter]

Noone wants to lynch MNG? Screw it, I'll chase another hunch then.



This is an excellent point, IMO. For the record, here's scooter's reply:



Sorry but I'm unconvinced. Scooter really has been tiptoeing the entire game, looking for suspicions to latch onto.

scooter

Ok honestly, what is with your obsession with me? I've explained myself to you many times and you've ignored everything I've ever written and latched on to this claim of yours that I'm "tiptoeing" or something. If you think I'm tiptoeing, then there are about 7 other people who are doing it far more than me, including yourself. At least I've presented some reasoning behind my thoughts this game, but you have yet to post something really meaningful.

[Irgy]

Scooter the trouble is you played too well last game. You're a real charmer. I mean, we lost the freaking game because you did too good a job of convincing Serdoa of your innocence. I'm completely certain you could easily convince me you were perfectly innocent when you're not. There's nothing you can really do about it.

It's good really. All the people I don't think are guilty now will, for just the same reason, fall in a complete heap if they play wolf. It's just that fortunately they didn't. Except of course for the one of them who's undoubtedly playing the fool and playing me for a fool, but they'll only get away with that once.

Just find someone who's actually guilty and get them voted off, that will keep the votes off you. Sure, none of the rest of us can do it, but don't let that stop you.

[Roland]

Someone said earlier that fire&ice was possibly acting like I was in WW2. From what I can gather, fire&Ice and myself are two extremely different personalities, so the comparison seems frankly a little ridiculous to me. However I'd conceed it's possible at least he's "making the same mistakes" that I was. I don't really buy that either though. To me right now he's just not trying hard enough. No-one's particularly trying to help him, even subtley, that I can see. To me he just seems like a villager who doesn't have enough time to contribute to the game as well as he'd like to. Given that, he's making all the classic villager reactions to the situations he's been in. All that means sod-all of course, except until I ask the important question: "Do I think this is a role he could pull off as well as he is?". Personally, I think the answer is "no". And if he was good enough to pull it off, it's an awful choice of role to play, as demonstrated by the fact that he's winning the vote-count at the moment, despite having played it so well.

So I'm going to vote to protect fire&ice today, and stick my vote on someone I think could be faking the villager who they seem to be. Which for now might as well stay the person I'm voting for already, Mr Nice Guy.

Funny you should mention this, Irgy. I was starting to get a similar vibe from fire&ice, now that we've forced his hand. What really stood out most of all was the lack of ANY defense. Which brings me to my next point: I finally see what people were talking about with regards to zakalwe. I see the subtle defense drawn for Selrahc, especially by trying to pull someone else into the spotlight, and cast suspicion on the idea of suspecting Selrahc. What are your thoughts on him?

Scooter the trouble is you played too well last game. You're a real charmer. I mean, we lost the freaking game because you did too good a job of convincing Serdoa of your innocence. I'm completely certain you could easily convince me you were perfectly innocent when you're not. There's nothing you can really do about it.

I'm sorry, but am I the only one who finds this totally wrong? :neenernee I know I'm not the only one - scooter was on EVERYONE'S top 'Wolf list in the last game out of all the people I had contact with. In fact, he was the most sure 'Wolf we had, except for uberfish. No offense scooter, but either many of us believed you to be a 'Wolf for the "wrong" reasons (and just what the hell does that mean, anyway?), or you simply weren't that good of a 'Wolf to a solid portion of the Village.

Sorry, just had to go off on a bit of a tangent there. :neenernee For what it's worth, I'm in agreement: scooter does not strike me as a 'Wolf this game. His entire approach has been completely different. I think he's done a fair job of trying to voice his own theories, and also explore others.

Novice, I really think you're off the mark on this one. Having said that, I am curious as to your thoughts about zakalwe. I'm really starting to question my suspicions of fire&ice, because as much as I'll kick myself if he DOES turn up a 'Wolf, it really is looking like he's not. Lazy, yes. Incomprehensible, certainly. Lacking the time and motivation to participate to the level we would like, definitely. None of those make him a 'Wolf, though, and I'm really starting to think my gambit is a failure - both because he may not be a 'Wolf, AND because it's failed to expose much of anyone else as being a 'Wolf, in my eyes.

[Lewwyn]

The MNG bandwagon has died, which I find suspicious, thus I think MNG is a wolf and so he must be a villager.

I think Scooter and novice are innocent so they must be wolves.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

The MNG bandwagon has died, which I find suspicious, thus I think MNG is a wolf and so he must be a villager.

I think Scooter and novice are innocent so they must be wolves.

LOL.

Your posts are getting more fun all the time. Pay attention everyone, this is what a fun game of werewolf looks like.

For what it's worth, you're right. In your universe, I am a wolf. That means in the village that we are actually playing for, I am a villager. So moving your vote off of me is the right move for this game, but the wrong move for your alternate upside down world. Because yours is a world of double negatives on top of triple reverse mirrors with one way signs pointing to dead end roads. See, this is fun!