November 17th, 2020, 16:20
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Lewwyn's position in this game is starting to look pretty nice with Serdoa and Rusten clashing. With limited observations, I believe this is a combination of him playing well and having a favorable starting position. (Lewwyn's start seems pretty spacious especially compared to the civs that started more in the middle. And of course having more safe backlines helps. In addition there seems to be a good amount of 6-foodhammer food resources and easy access to circumnavigation.)
In the big pic I think Lewwyn, NobleGas and Bob have the most comfortable starts while things are probably a bit more tricky for Rusten/SD/Serdoa. However, I still think that pindi you did a completely fine job, every start is winnable and in the end things won't be decided by the map, but as always, skill and geopolitics/neighbor lottery.
Let's see, I guess we will get real fireworks at latest when people reach Guilds etc, but hopefully someone starts a real military build-up sooner..
EDIT: While Lewwyn is playing well, I would still like to see how somebody plays that start while building a bit more workers..
November 17th, 2020, 16:48
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Lewwyn seemed to be able to settle these amazing high food cities with river trade route connection one after another. SD and especially not Noble did not have the land to do that.
November 18th, 2020, 07:29
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(November 17th, 2020, 16:48)civac2 Wrote: Lewwyn seemed to be able to settle these amazing high food cities with river trade route connection one after another. SD and especially not Noble did not have the land to do that.
Ye, I meant that with regards to land layout/position on the continent Lewwyn, NobleGas and Bob are in the Tier 1 while Rusten, SD and Serdoa have tougher times. With regards to actual quality of the land it's already different and Lewwyn has for sure better looking land than NobleGas.
Big disclaimer that I'm not basing this on actual analysis..
November 19th, 2020, 01:21
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All I appreciate the kind words FinTourist because I swear every time I see a screenshot I'm finding me things I messed up the map on
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November 19th, 2020, 11:55
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Looking closer at Lewwyn's last screenshot, he's taking land that Bob should have gotten or at least contested. That stone island is so much closer to Bob, but I guess Bob is only settling south and east.
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November 19th, 2020, 16:28
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It's so weird that the players in this game (and maybe others) have this notion that there's a certain amount of land on a map owed to them, that they'll fill that land up, and then once that's filled up, they'll play the game and compete with their neighbors. This idea is so pervasive that players feel offended when these borders are crossed. I get being annoyed at suicidal-homicidal neighbors, but it's like people have forgot two X's of the 4X genre.
There is no way to peace. Peace is the way.
November 19th, 2020, 16:32
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Also, the strong do what they will, while the weak do as they must...
November 20th, 2020, 11:44
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(November 19th, 2020, 16:28)naufragar Wrote: It's so weird that the players in this game (and maybe others) have this notion that there's a certain amount of land on a map owed to them, that they'll fill that land up, and then once that's filled up, they'll play the game and compete with their neighbors. This idea is so pervasive that players feel offended when these borders are crossed. I get being annoyed at suicidal-homicidal neighbors, but it's like people have forgot two X's of the 4X genre. You hear that in many games. And some players go for war over this kind of stuff so better be prepared.IF i sualy dont afford to setle a certain area and i know some enemy will do i build 2-3 units and send there and people start not setling there.Because of that having some mobile military is handy.
Serdoa and Gavagai are both very agresive and bordering them is a matter of luck, they will atack you even that destroy theyr chanse of winning, of course they are competent players as well so will destroy your chanse of winning as welll . Happened to me...
November 22nd, 2020, 02:33
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Okay, I found it a little funny to have Serdoa brag about his food stat and being #2 with 99 food, and then looking in NobleGas's thread and seeing them at #4 with 97 food. Not that he shouldn't be happy with the good stuff in his econ, but it's not quite as big a #2 as he seems to think
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November 24th, 2020, 06:29
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Things are looking up a bit for superdeath. Of course he won't be able to match Lewwyn or NobleGas, who can apparently reach ~18 peaceful cities after filling their backlines, but now that SD has circumnavigation and soon has limped to Currency, he should be able to get Calendar+IW pretty soon. Improving 2x Bananas + 2x Sugar + jungled rice improve the quality of his cities nicely and he should have resources to make plays in the future.
I don't think there exists a scenario where superdeath wins this game, but at least theoretically there are chances to improve his position (and not be too tasty target for cataphracts). In essence, he could build an opportunistic force, hope for favorable macro events (e.g Serdoa-Rusten war escalating) and be ready to capitalize if somebody opens a door. It's way easier said than done as you don't know if the best opportunity was a HA attack yesterday or should you try to play quiet until T150..
I can understand his map ranting as discussed earlier, but it's hard to have a lot of empathy when the stone city/Serdoa front was misplayed so badly. SD's position would be so much better if he would have an outpost city E of the stone resource. That would not only be a decent city on it's own but an extremely useful launching point should he want to make moves in the south later in the game. Things at the Lewwyn front are so far going better than I imagined though.
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