[Spoiler]PB44 Lurker Thread: Nostalgia Edition

[SadGit]

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I dont know why he continues to build cottages by the look of his screenshots. That basically feeds gav's army as he invades!
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Does it matter? After hearing roaring sounds from the plains you head out with your pals. A paw the size of a bus strikes at you. After fierce fighting you manage to declaw it. Then another paw strikes. You manage to cut it off, much bleeding etc. While debating if you should go after the first paw and try to cut that, or maybe follow the last one and cut of the limb, maybe use it as a club...a head the size of a stadium rears, teath the size of you remaining friends. What to do?
Me, Id snarf the last rations, maybe sneak out a cheeky wank, then say my goodbyes. Others build a house of sticks, sometimes that works, right?
Even if he sacks the cats, gets no splash on Gavs cats, all the fights manage kills at what 50% at best odds. Then the turn after he gets hit by 14 cats and enough hitters to wipe all his units.
Nasty stuff. Silver lining: skulls for the and so forth.

[BaII]

Wait is Allhazard going to be in a better position than Superdeath/Gavagai if he takes out Zoi with all his wonders? Or is that wishful thinking because it's going to take too long to conquer zoi.

[Charriu]

I would say that depends on what Commodore does after Donovan is eliminated. Alhazard is definitely in a strong position because he may not only conquer Donovan's land, but RegentMan's too.

[Bobchillingworth]

It's difficult to say who will be in a better position between Hazard / SD / Gav, but I'd rank them roughly as follows:


1. SD

+ Still has room to expand, around six additional cities
+ Has completed his duel, should have around a dozen turns of peace, at least.
+ Most advanced in tech (?)
- Army was chewed up badly in the conflict, lagging in troops
- Continues to insist on Libraries as his first build in most cities
- Will soon border a powerful neighbor who must expand through him


2. Gav

+ Enormous, powerful military
+ Leading in city count, will acquire at least a few more
- Falling behind in tech
- Will suffer additional loses before he can win his duel
- Heavily whipped his cities to defeat General Cav


3. Hazard

+ Will have the most land, if he can absorb both DZ and RM
+ Can expand through a succession of weaker powers until he abuts SD
- Commodore will likely try to vulture parts of DZ
- Has a lot of fighting left to go before he can conquer DZ and RM
- Has recently whipped heavily

[Rusten]

I still think it's Gavagai's game to lose. A lot of SD's available land is inhabitable tundra. The southern area is much more lush and easy to defend as well with a single choke-point entering into it. Gav has whipped away his mfg, but it's vanilla so whipping is the way to go anyway. He's still first in crop yield despite everything, although I couldn't find a recent graph in any thread just now. There's really no reason to look at the mfg at all until workshops/renaissance.

I do wish Gavagai would post some updates though. This is only based on bits and pieces from rival threads.

[Mardoc]

I think I agree with Rusten.  Gavagai is in the best shape in land and military, and not far enough behind in MFG to be meaningful in the era of the whip.  He's behind in GNP but I'm not sure he's behind in tech - superdeath doesn't have iron working while Gav's had it for ages to take just one example. His only significant challenge is this: "I have 5-6 whip unhappiness in all cities."

Gav has the most options of anyone here.  He could invade superdeath and have a good shot: looking at Power ratings he's double superdeath.  Superdeath's plan can beat Gavagai's army, but Superdeath's army as it currently exists can't win that fight. Maybe by the time Gav can finish off GKC, heal his army and march it to the border, Superdeath would be able to stop it, but that's not guaranteed.

Alternately, Gav could sit back and consolidate.  He has a significant advantage in land and cities, and his weak points (whip happiness and GNP) both naturally improve with time even before looking at what he can do with investment.  Both superdeath and Alhazard need to conquer more just to get to the land state Gav is already in. Odds are good that Gav can recover his economy before superdeath or Alhazard can make another conquest and catch up to him in land.

Either way, he gets to decide and superdeath only gets to react.

[Dark Savant]

I have 5-6 whip unhappiness in all cities and I have negative income at zero percent science.

That was worse than I thought it would be .

Alhazard also has cool toys in the Pyramids and the Mausoleum.

[BaII]

I think Gavagi is free to just recover after the war with GKC no? There's no way for anyone to threaten him with his massive army and he's probably free to build econ for a very long time before anyone can potentially threaten him.

Or if superdeath isn't prepared by the time he finishes GKC and walk his army over to superdeath he could just win the game outright at that point.

[Bobchillingworth]

Either way, he gets to decide and superdeath only gets to react.

Perhaps, but I think it's more like he will eventually have to act, and SD should be able to see it coming well in advance. I suspect that SD can out-tech Gav to critical military techs, and SD will very likely declare on and eventually overwhelm Commodore if Gav sits back and elects to do nothing. Gav probably doesn't have enough land to guarantee a win if he remains at peace, so he's forced to eventually fight a Final War with SD, whereas SD has a weaker neighbor he can take out to secure enough territory for the win.


Of course it's also very likely SD will be overly confident, invade Commodore with insufficient forces, get bogged down, and then get stomped by Gav while his army is tied up in India, but SD at least has some power to avert that outcome.

[GeneralKilCavalry]

Enjoyed reading through the spoiler threads (still need to go fully through Alhazard's). Observations, minor and not:

1. Knock-on effects are powerful.
Me taking gavagai's city cut off the copper for chumchu:

First and most important: Gavagai is no longer supplying Chumchu with copper! That, is frankly perfect timing.

which accelerated superdeath's invasion.

Of course, more important is superdeath invading chumchu instead of commodore in the first place, and to make things worse not defeating him, that's just the kicker that made my defeat inevitable.

2. what was alhazard doing? Why was he not whipping out keshiks to overwhelm dono and slam into an underequipped regentman and eat commodore for dessert? He already has what seems to be the economic lead, and has shitty low pop cities in the north perfect for 1-pop (max efficiency) whips.

Perhaps I am being too harsh with his plains instead of grassland terrain and whatnot, but SD was ahead of him in MFG the whole time as well - units were just not being produced. Or perhaps I am projecting my own experience of the necessities of this game onto his situation.

His strat of waiting for MoM, HG, and CS to be the first to bureaucracy and probably maces is not by any means bad, just to me seems passive rather than proactive. Now he seems to be hitting hard on donovan which will hopefully make him a counterweight to gavagai.


3. If donovan's first actions against commodore seemed justifiable, he's being plain vindictive now. Really wish he posted more.

4. Gavagai really will need ~30 turns to recover his economy to a powerful state. He needs COL and courthouses out, especially in my former cities. On the last turn, I checked how much they were costing:

If by then superdeath doesn't equalize in city count (which I guess he's working on) and Alhazard doesn't eat dono and regentman, Gavagai will carry the game. His geography compares superior to everyone elses, and he is financial unlike alhazard. Would be interesting to see if Alhazard can somehow convince SD he is a non-threat and simply wants to use him as a buffer state.

Oh and to whoever posted about me building cottages, those were forts.