November 26th, 2014, 16:05
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(Note this message is intended ina friendly jibe manner. Please take it that way.
For the record if you are going to make an Ultimatum, I'll capitulate on events because I want to kick your butt. But let's make a couple of things clear.
1. Ffh for civ 4 had no events. It worked fine. The only thing events will break are adaptive and insane leaders and the Armageddon counter. It will not break late game stuff, it makes for a more balanced game.
2. Events are unbalanced. They favor Good or Evil Civs at the expense of Neutral ones. I want to kick your butt fair and square. I don't want it to be because I got free Great People, Settlers, army units, extra tile bonuses, etc. I don't want random hill giants popping up to stall you or me and I don't want either of us to get extra xp from it. I don't want any excuses or valid reasons why someone was at a disadvantage because of events.
3. It's not that we can't handle barbs, oh we can. It's that we don't want the team game determined by who is the best xp farmer. I wouldn't feel good finding all of a sudden a 5 combat unit tearing down my cities because they abused barbs better than me. And, nor should you in my opinion. Because believe me if barbs were on, I would completely change my strategy to abuse them to ensure your doom
November 26th, 2014, 17:21
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(November 26th, 2014, 16:05)Kragroth Wrote: 1. Ffh for civ 4 had no events. It worked fine. The only thing events will break are adaptive and insane leaders and the Armageddon counter.
And: Luchuirp, Khazad, Bannor, Illians. Nox Noctis. Ring of Carcer. Infernal Grimoire. Altars of Luonnotar. Tower of Elements, Tower of Necromancy. All projects. Soul Forge. Spirit Guide. Hall of Mirrors. Eyes and Ears Network. Citadel of Light. Planar Gate. Probably more, but that's from a quick scan.
November 26th, 2014, 17:53
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(November 26th, 2014, 17:21)DaveV Wrote: (November 26th, 2014, 16:05)Kragroth Wrote: 1. Ffh for civ 4 had no events. It worked fine. The only thing events will break are adaptive and insane leaders and the Armageddon counter.
And: Luchuirp, Khazad, Bannor, Illians. Nox Noctis. Ring of Carcer. Infernal Grimoire. Altars of Luonnotar. Tower of Elements, Tower of Necromancy. All projects. Soul Forge. Spirit Guide. Hall of Mirrors. Eyes and Ears Network. Citadel of Light. Planar Gate. Probably more, but that's from a quick scan.
This. Thanks Dave! 
Plus (at least) Amurite (Cave), Elohim (Chancel), Octopus Overlords (Asylum), Clan (Warrens), Order (Crusader+Acolyte spawning), Calabim (Feast), Smoke/Fire mechanics, and Shrine of Sirona.
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November 26th, 2014, 18:03
(This post was last modified: November 26th, 2014, 18:04 by Kragroth.)
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Yes bts ffh had more content. What's your point? We're going off track now.
November 26th, 2014, 18:24
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The above are lists of mechanics in FFH2 that require events to function correctly. This isn't just a problem with certain leaders - events are integral to how the game is setup.
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November 26th, 2014, 18:57
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(November 26th, 2014, 18:24)Qgqqqqq Wrote: The above are lists of mechanics in FFH2 that require events to function correctly. This isn't just a problem with certain leaders - events are integral to how the game is setup.
If that's true that's very shameful on Kael's coding.
November 26th, 2014, 19:57
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Whatever you think of Kael's coding, it seems clear to me that having events off would just be asking for trouble. Given the apparent 3/3 voting split, as mapmaker I'm going to use my ultimate discretionary authority to enable events.
November 27th, 2014, 02:48
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Okay, if keeping events off has an affect on that many things (had no idea tell you the truth) then keeping them off would be just stupid.
November 27th, 2014, 02:49
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(November 27th, 2014, 02:48)Aurorarcher Wrote: Okay, if keeping events off has an affect on that many things (had no idea tell you the truth) then keeping them off would be just stupid.
I agree. I thought they were just for the free bonuses like was stated above.
November 27th, 2014, 08:30
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See below totaled settings. I added one new one at the bottom. Please vote on that one. One note is that I'm fine with City Gifting for the additional stipulation that it's for captured cities only, not cities that were created from a teammates settler.
Barbs: No 3v1 Yes: Kredom No: ReallyEvilMuffin, Kragroth, Eclipse Neutral: Qgqqqqq, Auroarcher
Huts: No 4v1 Yes but far away only: Kredom No: ReallyEvilMuffin, Kragroth, Auroacher, Eclipse Neutral: Qgqqqqq
Lairs: No 4v1 Yes but far away only: Kredom No: ReallyEvilMuffin, Kragroth, Auroacher, Eclipse Neutral: Qgqqqqq
Events: Yes per bad coding 6v0
Victory Types: Conquest and Domination Yes 4v2 Conquest, Domination: Kredom,ReallyEvilMuffin, Auroacher, Qgqqqqq Conquest, Domination, Cutural: Kragroth, Eclipse
Map: Inland Sea with Islands Yes 4v0 Yes: Kredom, Kragroth, Eclipse, ReallyEvilMuffin Neutral: AuroArcher, Qgqqqqq,
Speed: Quick 4v1 Quick: Kragroth, Eclipse, Qgqqqqq, Auroarcher Neutral: ReallyEvilMuffin Normal: Kredom,
Difficulty: Immortal: Kredom, Qgqqqqq, Auroarcher Emperor: Auroarcher Neutral: ReallyEvilMuffin, Kragroth, Eclipse
Always War: Yes 6v0 Yes: Everyone
Orthus: No 6v0 No: Everyone
Acheron: No 6v0 No: Everyone
Raging Barbs: No 5v1 Yes: Kredom No: Everyone Else
All Unique Features: No 2v0 Neutral: Kredom, ReallyEvilMuffin, Qgqqqqq, Auroarcher No: Eclipse, Kragroth
Living World: No 6v0 No: Everyone
Tech Trading: No 6v0 No: Everyone
Wildlands: No 4v1 Yes Kredom Neutral: ReallyEvilMuffin No: Kragroth, Eclipse, Qgqqqqq, Auroarcher
Hallowed Ground: No 2v1 Neutral: Kredom, ReallyEvilMuffin, Auroarcher Yes: Qgqqqqq No: Kragroth, Eclipse
Tsunami: No 3v2 No: Kredom, Kragroth, Eclipse Neutral: ReallyEvilMuffin Yes: Auroarcher, Qgqqqqq
Compact Enforced: No 3v2 No: Kredom, Kragroth, Eclipse Neutral: ReallyEvilMuffin Yes: Auroarcher, Qgqqqqq
Stasis: Yes: Kredom, Qgqqqqq, Kragroth, Eclipse, Auroarcher Neutral: ReallyEvilMuffin
Duplicate Civs: Yes 5v1 Yes (not in the same team): Kredom, Kragroth, Eclipse, Auroarcher, ReallyEvilMuffin No: Qgqqqqq
Ban Clan: No 5v1 Yes: Qgqqqqq No: Everyone Else
Gifting Cities: Yes ( "on the first turn in your teams possession only."): 4v2 Yes ( "on the first turn in your teams possession only."): Qgqqqqq, ReallyEvilMuffin, Kredom, Auroarcher Gifting Cities: Yes ( "on the first turn in your teams possession only for captured cities."): Kragroth, Eclipse
Human Infernals/basium: No: Kredom, ReallyEvilMuffin, Qgqqqqq, Auroarcher Yes: Kragroth, Eclipse
I need to add another one
No Unique Features: 2v0 On: Kragroth, Eclipse
Vote on this new one. I cannot stand those 3 gargoyles ruining the game
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