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[Mr. Cairo]

Well it looks like a majority goverment won't happen in Canada. I predict ether status quo goverment or a goverment that just implements PR and gets rid of the Senate (NDP+Tories wouldn't agree on anything else).

Well it looks like Liberal might get majority, thanks to PPC. Even if they don't they can just do nothing for a year and try again until they get lucky because Tories don't have a partner to work with and PR is them giving up; which will take at least a few more election cycles to happen.

I don't think it's entirely down to the PPC, since they're drawing anti-vaxxers from every party and from non-voters. It seems to me to be a combination of the CPC peaking too soon, a weak CPC platform (esp. on childcare and environment), and voters "returning home" to the LPC.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I think PPC is too right to drain from any one else than CPC. I do agree that you shouldn't add all their vote-share so it's really a 5% drain, rather than 10%. The vast majority coming from non-voters.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well it looks like the liberals will lose a little bit of seats. Without PPC, CPC might have gotten the most seats but it would be worthless to them because they have no friends to work with. I'm dividing the PPC vote by 2 and adding that to the CPC, because a good chuck of PPC wouldn't brother to vote for O'Toole.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well it looks like they will actually gain a couple of seats, so PPC cost them that. The combos are still NDP+Liberals or BQ+Liberals but the extra seats have big symbolic value.

[Mr. Cairo]

The province I live in in Canada: Manitoba, currently has a surgical and diagnostic backlog of over 152,000 cases. That's with a population of 1.369 million.

Our total vaccination rate (2 doses, age 5 and up) is 79%. Well over half of all active cases are among the uncaccinated. There are currently 95 people hospitalised in Manitoba with Covid, 59 of them unvaccinated. In the ICU there are 24 people with Covid, 22 of them unvaccinated.

ICU patients are being shipped without warning to other hospitals as wards fill up. Treatable cancers are going undiagnosed until they become untreatable. Heart surgeries are getting cancelled.

It's not a debate.

People are literally dying because a small minority wont get vaccinated.

To make things worse, our (conservative) government refuses to acknowledge the problem, because that small minority makes up a considerable amount of their base and membership. According to our health minister that backlog is just a "blip" in the system.

[MJW (ya that one)]

The province I live in in Canada: Manitoba, currently has a surgical and diagnostic backlog of over 152,000 cases. That's with a population of 1.369 million.

Our total vaccination rate (2 doses, age 5 and up) is 79%. Well over half of all active cases are among the uncaccinated. There are currently 95 people hospitalised in Manitoba with Covid, 59 of them unvaccinated.  In the ICU there are 24 people with Covid, 22 of them unvaccinated.

ICU patients are being shipped without warning to other hospitals as wards fill up. Treatable cancers are going undiagnosed until they become untreatable. Heart surgeries are getting cancelled.

It's not a debate.

People are literally dying because a small minority wont get vaccinated.

To make things worse, our (conservative) government refuses to acknowledge the problem, because that small minority makes up a considerable amount of their base and membership. According to our health minister that backlog is just a "blip" in the system.

150k>>0.1k If you want to argue that just one extra person is unacceptable the goverment doesn't act in a way to back that up. Like the west ditching Afghanistan.

[Mr. Cairo]

The province I live in in Canada: Manitoba, currently has a surgical and diagnostic backlog of over 152,000 cases. That's with a population of 1.369 million.

Our total vaccination rate (2 doses, age 5 and up) is 79%. Well over half of all active cases are among the uncaccinated. There are currently 95 people hospitalised in Manitoba with Covid, 59 of them unvaccinated.  In the ICU there are 24 people with Covid, 22 of them unvaccinated.

ICU patients are being shipped without warning to other hospitals as wards fill up. Treatable cancers are going undiagnosed until they become untreatable. Heart surgeries are getting cancelled.

It's not a debate.

People are literally dying because a small minority wont get vaccinated.

To make things worse, our (conservative) government refuses to acknowledge the problem, because that small minority makes up a considerable amount of their base and membership. According to our health minister that backlog is just a "blip" in the system.

150k>>0.1k If you want to argue that just one extra person is unacceptable the goverment doesn't act in a way to back that up. Like the west ditching Afghanistan.

What are you even trying to say here?

[MJW (ya that one)]

The province I live in in Canada: Manitoba, currently has a surgical and diagnostic backlog of over 152,000 cases. That's with a population of 1.369 million.

Our total vaccination rate (2 doses, age 5 and up) is 79%. Well over half of all active cases are among the uncaccinated. There are currently 95 people hospitalised in Manitoba with Covid, 59 of them unvaccinated.  In the ICU there are 24 people with Covid, 22 of them unvaccinated.

ICU patients are being shipped without warning to other hospitals as wards fill up. Treatable cancers are going undiagnosed until they become untreatable. Heart surgeries are getting cancelled.

It's not a debate.

People are literally dying because a small minority wont get vaccinated.

To make things worse, our (conservative) government refuses to acknowledge the problem, because that small minority makes up a considerable amount of their base and membership. According to our health minister that backlog is just a "blip" in the system.

150k>>0.1k If you want to argue that just one extra person is unacceptable the goverment doesn't act in a way to back that up. Like the west ditching Afghanistan.

What are you even trying to say here?

That the amount of unvaccinated COVID is not worth caring about when the backlog is 152000 (or 152k). You would be able get a high enough number (to make it close to 152k) if you banned employer mandates, but Conservatives didn't do that.

[Mr. Cairo]

That the amount of unvaccinated COVID is not worth caring about when the backlog is 152000 (or 152k). You would be able get a high enough number (to make it close to 152k) if you banned employer mandates, but Conservatives didn't do that.

You're just wrong. Our hospitals are full. Our ICU's are full. And most importantly, healthcare staff have been pushed beyond their limits, with no support from the government. That is why the backlog is so large. There would simply be a lot less people in hospitals and in ICUs if they were all vaccinated. Leaving more time and more staff to do other things.

And the stress to our system isn't coming from Winnipeg, with a vaccination rate of 82%, but from the south of Manitoba, where vaccinations rates are as low as 23%.

[darrelljs]

I wonder if those choosing to skip the vaccine were told they wouldn't be allowed into the ICU for anything COVID related, would they change their mind? I suspect not.

Darrell