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WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

BRick and Bob

Going through BRicks posts, it's interesting how little he talks of our three confirmed Nap's, novice, Zak and Injera. Especially Zak and Injera where quite active players.

He has this regarding novice from the beginning, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=96
"Unfortunate for novice though, he seems to get always picked on just cause the random numbers roll him wolf a little more often than usual"

Defends Zak, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=552

Can't decide on Selrahc, Lewwyn, Injera, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1161
(votes stick later)

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1169
"The vote counts are also low right now as well, and I just realized that he sounds very suspicious. If not then I'll be fine with lynching his other half, but I was wanting to see if anyone else thought likewise." (other half refers to Injera)

Votes Injera with 10 minutes left, after Selrahc's claim.

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Novice's almost last words are "Zak or BRick = NAP", http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=543

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Zak, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=753
"BRickAstley claims the ability to prevent what Mattimeo can cause to happen, but neither knows what it (a drone riot) actually does. If someone actually does know what a drone riot does, I think it might be a good idea to speak up about it. It seems a little strange if both of them are innocent, when they cancel each other out like this. So knowing if a drone riot is good or bad would be helpful.". Votes Mattimeo.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=777
"Mattimeo first made a vague claim and then refined it to be exactly the same as what Sareln claims. Very convenient. I also wonder why Mattimeo's immediate reaction to Sareln's claim is to expect even more drone claims. How many commuters do you expect us to have, Mattimeo? Perhaps a rioting scum drone gets one kind of boost (an extra kill?), while a rioting village drone gets another kind of boost? That would make BRickAstley's role more of a zero-sum role."

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Injera votes Brick, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=500
"why such a strong reaction to waterbat's post?"
Brick's response, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=530
"Like I said earlier, I wanted to read through everything before I made any solid commitments to a lynch drive, and that was just a first-thoughts hmmm something might seem odd here, but I don't know so I'll just make a comment on it and see if it generates any discussion."

Next post from Injera is a vote against novice, after Serdoa's reveal. There's no mention of Brick after that, except in the logs from Injera's and thestick's private thread.

thestick 08-18-2012 10:18 PM ET (US)
Brick not knowing what a Drone revolt is seems pretty weird, then again, those with atrocities didn't know what the UN Charter was or how to repeal it.

Injera 08-18-2012 10:21 PM ET (US)
At this point you have enough voices arguing against you, you might make a nice scum magnet today. Maybe we should not do a pre-emptive claim and wait it out another day.

thestick 08-18-2012 10:32 PM ET (US)
Wait to see who looks like they're parking an 'easy' vote? As long as we make sure that I don't start attracting villagers (the Tasunke lynch), sure, why not. Hopefully I'll be able to defend myself...

...in retrospect, outlining the case AGAINST myself might not have been the best idea.

Injera 08-18-2012 10:41 PM ET (US)
Yep, that's the plan. That being said, I'm not opposed to claiming at any time now, so just let me know, or claim yourself if you want to.

Injera 08-19-2012 12:04 AM ET (US)
Brick's non-knowledge claim makes sense if Mattimeo doesn't know either. Hmm.
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Voting so far, with confirmed innocents and Nappers.

Day 1:
tasunke(10) - zakalwe, serdoa, bobchillingsworth, mattimeo, thestick, Selrahc, waterbat, BrickAstley, Sareln, Injera
thestick (6)- Tasunke, novice, Lewwyn, Maniac, catwalk, Molach
molach - slowcheetah
Maniac- Pindicator
Lewwyn - meiz
Mattimeo - Jkaen
slowcheetah - Qgqqqqq

Skipping day 2, everyone voting novice expect Jkaen, Mattimeo and Lewwyn.

Day 3:
mattimeo (7) - zakalwe, sareln, serdoa, Lewwyn, meiz, injera, molach
sareln (5) - BrickAstley, slowcheetah, Selrahc, waterbat, thestick
thestick(3) - maniac, bobchillingsworth, mattimeo
jkaen - Qgqqqq
lewwyn - jkaen

Day 4:
Injera (7) - Serdoa, bobchillingworth, molach, selrahc, lewwyn, sareln, brickastley
Selrahc (3) - meiz, waterbat, Injera
Lewwyn (2) - jkaen, maniac
maniac - thestick
thestick - zakalwe

Day 5:
sareln(6) - BrickAstley, meiz, thestick, jkaen, selrahc, molach
jkaen (4)- waterbat, bobchillingworth, lewwyn, sareln
BrickAstley - maniac
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Btw. "BRickAstley" is not my fault this time, direct copies from Bigger's counts :neenernee
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Thanks much for the vote breakdown, Meiz. I was going to post how Jkaen missed every day, but I missed 4/5, so not such a strong argument.

I really like your earlier analysis - I will extend it to look at all the names BRick mentions.
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Best dating advice on RB: When you can't hide your unit, go in fast and hard. -- Sullla
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So, about tomorrow. Consider Meiz' switch from sareln (innocent) to mattimeo(innocent). I do not see that as a likely Nap move. It was unclear who would hang, plenty time left, but the move but mattimeo in the lead and up for lynch. A nap knowing both innocent would lie low.

So jkaen or maniac next day?
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Times Brick has mentioned a player (including quotes and votecounts):

1. Jkaen: 17
2. Thestick: 34
3. [STRIKE]Serdoa[/STRIKE]: 21
4. [STRIKE]Tasunke[/STRIKE]: 3
5. Waterbat: 26
6. [STRIKE]Sareln[/STRIKE]: 48
7. [STRIKE]Lewwyn[/STRIKE]: 40
8. Molach: 38
9. [STRIKE]Slowcheetah[/STRIKE]: 4 (once he called him "slow cheetah")
10. [STRIKE]Mattimeo[/STRIKE]: 25
11. [STRIKE]Injera[/STRIKE]: 35
12. bobchillingsworth: 9
13. meiz: 12
14. Selrahc: 32
15. [STRIKE]Pindicator[/STRIKE]: 18
16. [STRIKE]Novice[/STRIKE]: 17
17. [STRIKE]Zakalwe[/STRIKE]: 11
18. Maniac: 25
20. [STRIKE]Qgqqqqq[/STRIKE]: 11
21. [STRIKE]Catwalk[/STRIKE]: 33


I thought this was genius to not only confirm Brick's guilt but also catch the next NAP if he flips up evil. After running the numbers - it looks like you were just making up an argument to support the lynch - you are near the top of the list. He's spoken of Injera 3 times as much as you.

Liveplayers+dead NAP ordered ascending:

BobChillingworth
[STRIKE]zakalwe[/strike]
Meiz
Jkaen
[STRIKE]novice[/strike]
Maniac
Waterbat
Selrahc
Thestick
[STRIKE]Injera[/strike]
Molach
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Best dating advice on RB: When you can't hide your unit, go in fast and hard. -- Sullla
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@ Maniac

Yes you could just lie. In fact, if you were to go through the projects and pick out the one that sounded most pro-village, I am sure that there couldn't be a better pick than "Citizens's Defense Force" smile


As for the whisperer - what I meant to say to all was - If you are the whisperer and your message to be was true - go ahead and come out - what do you fear? If true, mindworms love humanity and you plan to transcend with 6 players. There are only 9 in the game. Why not come out in the open and discuss this.

@ Molach

Argh - was hoping not to waste a complete day while we wait for Brick to swing. Any thoughts on how to do so?
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Best dating advice on RB: When you can't hide your unit, go in fast and hard. -- Sullla
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Molach Wrote:I was not sold on brick before last night, but after nerve stapling me....

If I am NAP i can only be killed by lynching. No point using power as seerdoa is dead.

If I am village you screwed me over, so you are Nap. I went public last night to get you lynched.

And if by some miracle you are village too, now NAP knows Im wide open. After saving my freaking riots all this time.

Die.

We still should reason our way to last nap

Well this would all be valid if you actually had the same ability as the other two drones.

Like I said, I suspected that you must have sort of other ability, and your outrage after last night shows that you did. There's already a baner in play, so while your drone riots, if they existed, would have been helpful, the village still has protection, and you are a good villager.

Speaking of which, I'm surprised you haven't been night killed yet if you are village, since you're always so helpful, and have a very high post count, and that convenient little private log that pretty much ASSURES that you're village and that there's no chance you could be mislynched. Everything just seems so... convenient for you.

You die Molach.

And I lake the play on words. Seerdoa? That's funny Moleach.

thestick Wrote:BrickAstley, for reasons already stated. Not voting for Injera until it's too late.

Meiz Wrote:Going through BRicks posts, it's interesting how little he talks of our three confirmed Nap's, novice, Zak and Injera. Especially Zak and Injera where quite active players.

Votes Injera with 10 minutes left, after Selrahc's claim.

Oh I love me some additional talking about the Injera deal when I had already answered that before. :neenernee. I had said almost an hour before that I would be switching to Injera after I wanted to get thestick back into people's minds after he suddenly fell off the face of the planet. If, like you try and claim, I was a wolf, why would I even say that? That would be binding my vote to another wolf in a way that seals his death or else making me look fishy by not following through, AND arousing suspicion to myself for not making a clear-cut final vote til right at the end. I'm new to WW on here but I'm not THAT stupid. rolleye

Also Meiz, your statement about talking about wolves is hogwash. Remember also that I didn't post much the first two days because I was failing basic reading comprehension and I wanted to get my thoughts together before getting into anything big. novice dies way too early for any discussion, and zak was acknowledged by everyone to be extremely off his game and low on posts this time around, and frankly never intersected where I was trying to research. And I did talk about Injera a pretty high amount, since he didn't always sit right with me. Soo....... what?

Meiz Wrote:Btw. "BRickAstley" is not my fault this time, direct copies from Bigger's counts :neenernee

Uh, wat? that is my name.
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waterbat Wrote:I thought this was genius to not only confirm Brick's guilt but also catch the next NAP if he flips up evil. After running the numbers - it looks like you were just making up an argument to support the lynch - you are near the top of the list. He's spoken of Injera 3 times as much as you.
What the hell. I've just gone through all his posts manually and you come up with this? lol Where do you actually see him discussing Injera, besides the posts I mentioned?
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waterbat Wrote:Times Brick has mentioned a player (including quotes and votecounts):

1. Jkaen: 17
2. Thestick: 34
3. [STRIKE]Serdoa[/STRIKE]: 21
4. [STRIKE]Tasunke[/STRIKE]: 3
5. Waterbat: 26
6. [STRIKE]Sareln[/STRIKE]: 48
7. [STRIKE]Lewwyn[/STRIKE]: 40
8. Molach: 38
9. [STRIKE]Slowcheetah[/STRIKE]: 4 (once he called him "slow cheetah")
10. [STRIKE]Mattimeo[/STRIKE]: 25
11. [STRIKE]Injera[/STRIKE]: 35
12. bobchillingsworth: 9
13. meiz: 12
14. Selrahc: 32
15. [STRIKE]Pindicator[/STRIKE]: 18
16. [STRIKE]Novice[/STRIKE]: 17
17. [STRIKE]Zakalwe[/STRIKE]: 11
18. Maniac: 25
20. [STRIKE]Qgqqqqq[/STRIKE]: 11
21. [STRIKE]Catwalk[/STRIKE]: 33


I thought this was genius to not only confirm Brick's guilt but also catch the next NAP if he flips up evil. After running the numbers - it looks like you were just making up an argument to support the lynch - you are near the top of the list. He's spoken of Injera 3 times as much as you.

Liveplayers+dead NAP ordered ascending:

BobChillingworth
[STRIKE]zakalwe[/strike]
Meiz
Jkaen
[STRIKE]novice[/strike]
Maniac
Waterbat
Selrahc
Thestick
[STRIKE]Injera[/strike]
Molach

What the hell is this even about or supposed to mean I don't even
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