WW11 - Civilization

[MJW (ya that one)]

:zzz:

All I really have to say is that Tasunke is very unlikely to be a wolf because he has a confrimed power.

[Catwalk]

Everything in the narrative apart from "X was eliminated" is fluff.

Thanks for clarifying I thought it sounded a lot like a night ability.

[Tasunke]

Slow day.

But I guess because Cyneheard is the most likely of candidates (if Gaspar is telling the truth) this is to be expected.

I'm still surprised that Gaspar suspects me tho ...

[Cyneheard]

Slow day.

But I guess because Cyneheard is the most likely of candidates (if Gaspar is telling the truth) this is to be expected.

I'm still surprised that Gaspar suspects me tho ...

As far as he's concerned, the Day 4 voting record is the most telling thing out there. Me, I think that fails because we have yet to see anyone with two abilities, and a double-vote is just so many kinds of awesome if used right that it doesn't need a second ability.

Nor am I convinced that a unanimous vote against me is the wisest course of action: less room for extra information if I come up village, and no loss if I still hang if I'm the wolf. But everyone seems to be settled on me at this point.

[Tasunke]

Just going to go ahead and think about post-Cyneheard, in the unlikely even that he is innocent.

1. wait to see who is killed

2. actually have a discussion.

(none of this dog-pile and then shut up business ... >.>) Its been happening for 4 days now counting today.

3. We should probably learn what Sareln's power is.

4. Try to put the pieces together and think independently.

[Tasunke]

Nor am I convinced that a unanimous vote against me is the wisest course of action: less room for extra information if I come up village, and no loss if I still hang if I'm the wolf. But everyone seems to be settled on me at this point.

I'm pretty much in agreement here. I mean yes there is the possibility (a strong one) that you are a wolf ...

But a lack of discussion simply provides ample cover for potential stealth wolves.

1. Sareln accused me of railroading him just for pushing a power reveal

2. Gaspar has posted what, twice, today?

[Cyneheard]

Just going to go ahead and think about post-Cyneheard, in the unlikely even that he is innocent.

1. wait to see who is killed

2. actually have a discussion.

(none of this dog-pile and then shut up business ... >.>) Its been happening for 4 days now counting today.

3. We should probably learn what Sareln's power is.

4. Try to put the pieces together and think independently.

1. Mardoc or MJW. The wolf has to target people with the least amount of suspicion, or else the 3p endgame becomes too obvious. The other one of Mardoc/MJW gets eaten Night 6 if ya'll miss on Day 6.

2. Who all is most averse to a discussion?

3. Aye.

4. Please. Don't let the strong "villagers" keep you from coming to your own conclusions.

[Gaspar]

2. Gaspar has posted what, twice, today?

What's to say? I've stated why I suspect Cyneheard. Nobody has put forth an alternative theory. The closest thing to an alternative theory posited was that I'm guilty. I debunked that to the best of my ability.

I don't think you're guilty, Tasunke. I think Cyneheard is guilty. In the event that I am wrong and he is not guilty, then your vote on MJW vs Slowcheetah is the best evidence I have. But I don't think you're NAP, I think Cyneheard is NAP.

These last 2 days have been quiet because the slowcheetah lynch + roleblock on me pointed incredibly strongly at Selrahc and Cyneheard. The previous day was slowcheetah vs MJW which as wordy as you'd expect a day at that stage to be. The previous day was the ill-advised novice/Gaspar-pile on scooter. So there's been conversation when its been applicable.

Keep in mind as well, we've been killing off the big talkers. Zakalwe and Ichabod died quite early. We've also seen departures from scooter and Lewwyn. I wouldn't call Rowain or novice big talkers, but they can get on a hotstreak when they want. There really aren't any huge chatters left but me and I have nothing to talk about. If Cyneheard turns up innocent, I promise I'll be much chattier afterwards. But mostly this is just a long, drawn out end to a game decided on Day 3. (Which is why I advocate faster days in this situation. Let's just get to the denouement and be done with it.)

[Gaspar]

Also, to advance the discussion... uberfish has run a fair few games now - this is the 3rd game of this style that's been run. He says that he doles out the roles then balances for faction. We've never seen a player have a role that is completely useless for his faction - at worst limited. Cyneheard has stated he's a roleblocker that cannot prevent kills. Let's take a look at that shall we?

Roles of dead folk:

Jkaen - Louis XVI of France - Triggered Bulletproof, aligned with the Civilized World was dogpiled in the Classical Era
Meiz - Genghis Khan of Mongolia - Intimidator, aligned with the Civilized World was sacked by barbarians in the Dark Ages
Ichabod - Joao II of Portugal - Neighbour, aligned with the NAP of Evil was dogpiled in the Medieval Era
Zakalwe - Sitting Bull of the Native Americans - Tracker, aligned with the Civilized World was destroyed during the Crusades
Scooter - Tokugawa of Japan - Self-Avenger, aligned with the Civilized World was dogpiled in the Renaissance Era
Rowain - Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire - Flavour Police, aligned with the Civilized World was colonized in the Age of Colonization
Slowcheetah - Montezuma of the Aztecs - Watcher, aligned with the NAP of Evil was dogpiled in the Industrial Era
Lewwyn - Boudica of the Celts - Tiebreak Immune, aligned with the Civilized World was destroyed during the World Wars
Selrahc - Bismarck of Germany - Voteblocker, aligned with the NAP of Evil was dogpiled in the Modern Era
Novice - Ragnar of the Vikings - Neighbour, aligned with the Civilized World was "liberated" during the Oil Crisis

Ok - so assuming Cyneheard were village. What NAP powers could he block, if not night-kills? Ichabod's mason power certainly couldn't be blocked. Selrahc's vote-blocker I suppose, though again, to what end? Slowcheetah's watcher ability is the closest thing to useful to block. But again, its hardly spectacularly useful.

On the other hand, as a NAP member you have the far more dangerous Tracker role as well as ability seer. In the claimed but not confirmed batch we have vig and baner. It seems foolish to me that the wolves would not have a roleblocker as they have had one every game since I can remember. So basically Cyneheard is telling the truth about being a roleblocker and is NAP, or has a completely different ability entirely and there's another roleblocker out there which pretty much based on what's confirmed/unconfirmed has to be either Catwalk, Sareln or myself - all three of who have voted convincingly against their own self-interest if that is the case. The only other option is really that uberfish is mentally challenged and handed Cyneheard a completely worthless role. And since I've read a lot of uberfish's posts over the years, I find that hard to believe.

Not to mention, previous village roleblockers have been able to block the kill if they target the appropriate scum.

[Cyneheard]

Enjoy the next three days of this game. Good luck finding the stealth wolf.