WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[pindicator]

There is 7 hours left before deadline. All what I ask is players to think for themselves when and how the idea that Lewwyn/Commodore/Pindicator is scum team did start because it did led to mislynching of Lewwyn.

The answer is pretty clear to me. Lewwyn had a very heavy impact on pushing lynches away from Commodore. Pindicator had no interest in suspecting or going after Commodore. Even on Day 1 when he was a lynch candidate and Commodore was the running candidate before thrawn. I find it very suspicious that he claims he never took a look at Commodore's post, because his dolphin RP was too distracting.

You can't even own it after the fact, can you? You posted day 1 that you suspected Lewwyn and I as a scum pair because Lewwyn seemed to be saving me with his posts pushing thrawn. That was after you fought with him about thrawn v Comm, but you were one of the first to tie us together. Gaspar later said that he thought all 3 of us were scum. I can excuse these as fleeting thoughts but that you never let go of them despite new info? And now you get defensive when someone suggests to look at where the connection started?

[Rowain]

That doesn't work out. We have confirmation from Jabbz that GES did learn pindi visiting me. So either both town, both scum or only Jabbz scum.

Am I missing something?  If GES is a scum tracker and Jabbz is a town beholder and GES followed Pindi to bodyguard you and Jabbz learned that GES learned that, how does that not work?  I'm not saying I think that's what happened, but it seems as plausible as any other configuration.

Yes ok. didn't think that a scum-tracker might really follow pindi. But you are right that is then more plausible. Omar is more likely scum than Jabbz.

[Meiz]

I've already admitted I had strong connections for the scum-pairings, and went full throttle on them until proven otherwise. That's what happens when you think you've caught 3 scum. So I am definitely admitting after the fact that I was wrong on that. I'm also trying to explain my thinking on what resulted in that read.

[Meiz]

Pind, what do you think of the case on Bob? https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid755250

Especially the latest post on player reads. If you are town, I think he has too much info on your role, just accepting the claim and putting it as sure town. Additionally his vote/read on Kaiser is just selling mind images of scummy play, instead of getting into any specifics.

[pindicator]

I still don't like Pind's play to attack Gaspar today, https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid754891
Feels more like using Lewwyn's and others suspicions from yesterday to get Gaspar killed, than taking a closer look at Gaspar's play from D1 that have some strong indications which would point away from scum-Gaspar.

@Pind, you're saying that do not give credit for D2 commodore voters, but D1 commodore voters point to town. Why Gaspar does not get this credit?

I brought a case against Gaspar on Day 2 along with my vote

I have posted my own day 1 theory of Gaspar being scum SEVERAL TIMES NOW independent of Lewwyn. If you do not accept that theory at least have the decency to acknowledge i wrote it and that you disagree. Don't pull this crap where you're either scum trying to pretend I'm not posting cases - OR WORSE that you're actually town and just ignoring me just because you got an early read that I was scummy

[Meiz]

Pind, I'm not trying to upset you. I'm out of energy for spending today in this thread, so I don't have these in my head. I see you've posted similiar type of reads that I have for Gaspar atm, earlier in the game, https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid754052
IMO these are still valid, I find it hard to believe Gaspar bussed Commodore D1 already.

[pindicator]

Lewwyn was hammering thrawn and taking the lynch away from scum-Commodore. Additionally he ignored a read on you that was very similiar to what he was accusing thrawn of. This is the reason I found his play suspicious.

Yay, glad to see you own it here. But you wrote day 1 that you thought Lewwyn was defending me and that was what led to Gaspar's later post that accused Lewwyn of trying to save both Comm and I

[Alhambram]

About Meiz's role, he claims that he is day vig which kills player without revealing alignment. I asked him to not use upon either Lewwyn or Pindicator because I felt that town needed information from their flip.
He answered that he wouldn't use till last day. Now after rereading Jabbz's post #1410, I feel that Jabbz got the point about risk of using it at day.
To avoid chance to misdirect at last day which would end game, Meiz has to use this day and suddenly he can't use it without town ever confirming whether his role is real or not.
It starts to feel more too concidence to have Meiz making his role claim and then claiming that his role has been removed, nobody in town can check it.

If Kaiser is town, he would have the ability to check if I was targeted with the ability. Thinking back this now, if I was scum, I would have time to see him bolding my name and then go through with the claim of removed powers regardless. So unless you think we are both scum, the play wouldnt' make any sense to me.

What about Meiz influcence upon votes day 1-3?
Looking back, Meiz was the one who started to tie knot between Lewwyn, Commodore and Pindicator at posts #306 and #312 at first day. At 1st day tally of post #210 thrawn got most votes, people already thought that his play was odd. Meiz then moves to Pindicator who that moment has 0 votes and succesfully start Pindicator train did drain votes away from thrawn train since it lost traction. When Lewwyn rehammers thrawn, Meiz accused Lewwyn in post #312 of creating a new lynch candidate besides Pindicator and Commodore. Wait a new candidate? Wasn't Thrawn top lynch candidate before at #210 with already vaild reason: players got not good feeling about thrawn at moment of #210. So can you really speak of new candidate? I would say renewed vote train but not entirely new.

New candidate, because it was either Commodore or Pindicator to be lynched at the time.

I do feel very stupid myself now, letting led around like this. Orginally I did have good feel about Lewwyn (see my post #501 and #724). But when Commdore flipped red, I was like: aha Meiz has been right about Commodore/Pindicator/Lewwyn. At that moment I also has him as town and I did trust him, partitally based upon his WW47 play. Then I did make vote analysis based upon this assument instead doing proper playerread. I didn't feel confident about my reading skill since it is my 2nd WW ever and I used fact that Commodore flipped red as easy pathway to navigate who did Commodore vote with etc. As result I only got more confident that team Lewwyn/Commodore/Pindicator is correct guess. I should have realized that Warriorknight's death don't make sense for Lewwyn being wolf, my eyes was blinded and I crawled in tunnel deeply. Kudos for non Lewwyn voters for realizing this.

Yes I was very committed on the read I thought was right. So was the now-confirmed WK, who I was not following but had made my mind on the potential scum connections before him. This was not an  ultimate wolf play to lead people into lynching Lewwyn, this was me thinking we had found 3 scum.

And end of 3rd day votes for Gaspar suddenly got traction, it was caused by him roughing up Cyneheard. But what was Gaspar doing? Answer he did actual scumhunting, his style might be rough but at least he didn't sit around till end like Meiz did at day 3 altough Gaspar also thought that Lewwyn is most likely candidate. It was Meiz who called Gaspar's pressure at Cyneheard scummy as first (#1257), not Lewwyn who posted al lot content why he thinks Gaspar should be lynched next or Pindicator who promised 100% Gaspar vote at (#1335).

And now Meiz did reread of day 1-2 of Gaspar (#1381) where he declares him town but not 3rd day where Meiz did accuse him being scum. And I do wonder why Meiz didn't comment day 3 right away (next is my speculation) and gnawing sounds in back of my head thinks that Meiz is willing wait till there is some traction of Gaspar vote train. When Gaspar train leaves station then Meiz jumps in argumenting that he has been right about Gaspar being scum based upon his post #1257.
And now Meiz is wooing Gaspar, calling him a townie based upon day 1 and 2 while Meiz seems forget that day 3 did exist where he did critize Gaspar.

If you check my accusation post against Gaspar, I had a very strong feeling of him being possible pal to scum-Lewwyn. You can check my post before start of this day with the updated reads, as Lewwyn was revealed as town.

Thanks for commenting upon my view of you, however I point out that there are two more sections of my view. Maybe you didn't felt need to comment but I have a question.

At one of missing  part I noticed that you argeed with me at post #944 to stop night talk and yet you didn't stop, (see post #945 and further). I do feel that sorta contradicting. Why did you keep on night talk?

[Meiz]

Thanks for commenting upon my view of you, however I point out that there are two more sections of my view. Maybe you didn't felt need to comment but I have a question.

At one of missing  part I noticed that you argeed with me at post #944 to stop night talk and yet you didn't stop, (see post #945 and further). I do feel that sorta contradicting. Why did you keep on night talk?

Because I thought I would be nightkilled, and wanted to get my reads out as well as I could.

[Alhambram]

Bob:
Scum case: Classic lurker scum.  Hasn't said much of anything.
Town case: We just lynched him last game for the same thing and he was town. 

Am I allowed to add something for myself, in that case:

Bob:
Scum case: Classic lurker scum.  Hasn't said much of anything. And easily bussable.
Town case: We just lynched him last game for the same thing and he was town.