WW11 - Civilization

[Catwalk]

Do you wish to present a case against Gaspar? If so I'd consider it, but I highly doubt I'll be voting for him today. Can go either way on Tasunke and Sareln still.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Do you wish to present a case against Gaspar? If so I'd consider it, but I highly doubt I'll be voting for him today. Can go either way on Tasunke and Sareln still.

My big problem is that he has made statments that make no sense. Just saying this game is hopless and voting Tasunke before Sarlen's roleclaim explained things. I would have a hard time seeing how a villager Gaspar would make them. He's also been a bit too quiet for his normal self.

His actions have not been wolfish at all though. He voted SC when he did'nt have to for example. Sareln's tone does not mean much because it is easy to fake. And his action of wasting his power like this is very wolfish. That is why I'm okay voting for him. The biggest reason I'm voting for him, over Tasunke and Gaspar, is that it is pretty clear that he should have used his power last night (wolfs can no-kill!!!!). So there is a good chance he is lying. But he could just be playing very badly. But if he is playing badly I won't feel bad about lynching him.

[Gaspar]

My big problem is that he has made statments that make no sense. Just saying this game is hopless and voting Tasunke before Sarlen's roleclaim explained things. I would have a hard time seeing how a villager Gaspar would make them. He's also been a bit too quiet for his normal self.

I said the game's hopeless because 3 of the 4 remaining people for me to discuss with are varying degrees of crazy. I mean its hopeless as in I don't know that I have the mental strength to argue with you. Clearly as a village we still can win. I just don't know that I have the energy to be a leader for that.

And I've been quiet because I haven't had a lot to say. I've not played a great game, I'm not ashamed to say. I think I played well on days one and two and have been pretty mediocre since then. But I have been on all 3 wolves, so there's that at least.

I'd like to hear a rebuttal from Sareln before making a final decision on my vote. I'd also like a steak. Just sayin'.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I said the game's hopeless because 3 of the 4 remaining people for me to discuss with are varying degrees of crazy. I mean its hopeless as in I don't know that I have the mental strength to argue with you. Clearly as a village we still can win. I just don't know that I have the energy to be a leader for that.

And I've been quiet because I haven't had a lot to say. I've not played a great game, I'm not ashamed to say. I think I played well on days one and two and have been pretty mediocre since then. But I have been on all 3 wolves, so there's that at least.

I'd like to hear a rebuttal from Sareln before making a final decision on my vote. I'd also like a steak. Just sayin'.

Your actions have been reasonable unlike Sareln's. But your tone in this game seems very different. You are being sad and making strange posts--contrasting your normal 'happy and energic' self. I suspect that something in real-life is dragging you down if you are not a wolf. Your "steak" comment suggests to me that you are not a wolf though because wolfs want to distance themselves from steak. Okay, I'm just joking at that last part.

[Gaspar]

Your actions have been reasonable unlike Sareln's. But your tone in this game seems very different. You are being sad and making strange posts--contrasting your normal 'happy and energic' self. I suspect that something in real-life is dragging you down if you are not a wolf.

This may be the most perceptive post I've ever seen from you.

[Gaspar]

I guess that's really it. I'd like to hear why Sareln let Cyneheard die. Good answer, I'll stay on Tasunke. Bad answer, I'll swap.

[Sareln]

Geeze, I forgot how exhausting it was to be at the bottom of the pile, just reading post after post is freaking depressing.

Answers as best as I'm able .

The death of Cyneheard -
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You have to evaluate the decision in the moment. I've kill-blocked Gaspar and now the village is turning on Cyneheard after having lynched Selrahc. I don't know Cyneheard's alignment.

What I do know (as facts):

1. He has the dual of my power.
   
2. I am a villager.
   
3. He voted for MJW > Slowcheetah with Slowcheetah and Selrahc.
   
4. We had a goodly mislynch buffer, so a mistake would not be crippling.
   

If I reveal to save Cyneheard, there are two possibilities; either Cyneheard is innocent and I save us a mislynch, or Cyneheard is guilty and I buy him deep cover. I think that 2nd option would be much more dangerous heading into a smaller village, so I prefer to keep myself and my charge over Cyneheard. A little bit selfish? It could be cast as that I'm sure, but that's my thought process.

Power Use -
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Apparently I suck. I totally blanked that the wolf could just skip his kill and deny all information from my last charge. Even if I hadn't hit the wolf, firing last night would have at least given negative innocence.

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Given his reaction to the whole reveal, I would feel best hanging Tasunke today. The stream of consciousness "Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!" push seems surreal to me, knowing my own innocence. I think it quite possible that in the chaos of day 1 no-one had a good read on the final tally, and as far as team wolf is concerned, no matter how strong Tasunke's ability, better to use it than to lose it. He's had 2-3 real world days since he last got to consult with Selrahc, and the wheels are starting to come off.

If I'm right, we win. If I'm wrong, well, we could lynch me and lose or we could do the knife-fight on the last day. But honestly, I'd much rather we win today.

If you've got more questions, ask them, but I think the two primary questions were Catwalk/Gaspar(Cyneheard) and MJW (Power Use).

[Tasunke]

No matter how many times I look at the evidence, I can't see a non-Sareln wolf happening.

As you all know, my only suspects going into the end game were Gaspar, Sareln, and Catwalk.

Of these three, Sareln's confession reveals Gaspar's innocence (at least as I see it).

Therefore its a choice between Sareln and Catwalk.

And I just haven't seen anything particularly 'wolfish' from Catwalk (I am new though, could it be that I am missing something? Purely in relation to Catwalk that is)

It seems to me, at that moment, pretty crystal that Sareln is a wolf.

I suppose it is my own failure as a villager if I cannot convince my brethren of the same.

[Tasunke]

I should add that part of the reason I even suspected Catwalk at all was in case his 'baner' power allowed for some kill-block ability.

While I suppose we should not rule Catwalk out, I think the fact that we suspected Catwalk at all was because of Sareln's witholding of information is enough to put him well below Sareln in terms of suspicion.

I think MJW once said that the only possible stealth wolf could be either Gaspar, Selrahc, or Sareln?

Well, as things turned out Selrahc was a wolf, but not a stealthy one. (at least as I understand it) ... so this leaves either Gaspar or Sareln. Either with the potential ability to get multiple mislynches.

I think Sareln has revealed to us Gaspar's innocence, and while this may not be a true confession, I think this reveals himself as the only possible stealthwolf.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I really don't have anything to say. If catwalk is somehow the werewolf he has played the best first-time game ever. If Gaspar is the werewolf he can just cruise though by taking catwalk to the finals. As I said before it really does not matter what order we kill Sareln and Tasunke in because we know their powers.