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Jkaen Wrote:Odd, I could have sworn I had voted earlier today. Oh well. I thought I had said I am looking at Lewwyn and F&I today, and since F&I seems to have votes on him, I will go for him
You did novice missed it as it was shortly followed with my vote.
Besides please if people do sometimes only view the post shortly . If the red is to the far right it might get missed. (happened to me too as I once missed an Irgy vote)
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Lynch:
3v: zakalwe ( Roland, scooter, Mardoc )
3v: scooter ( Meiz, novice, Rowain )
3v: fire&ice ( Serdoa, zakalwe, Jkaen )
1v: Novice ( Lewwyn )
Not Voting:
Bruindane, fire&ice, Gold Ergo Sum, Ichabod
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Rowain Wrote:You did novice missed it as it was shortly followed with my vote.
Besides please if people do sometimes only view the post shortly . If the red is to the far right it might get missed. (happened to me too as I once missed an Irgy vote)
Huh, sorry about that. I even read Rowain's post and couldn't understand why he thought it was tied at three votes each. Those three red letters F&I were indeed hard to spot out there to the right.
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Meiz Wrote:I think Zakalwe voting record shows "mistakes" that a wolf would not do, and I think your play so far indicates that you know the villagers and wolves. With the info we currently have, I simply suspect Scooters play more, and I'm quite sure that one of you is a wolf. So I doubt I will switch to Zakalwe, unless he confesses that he is a wolf 
Scooter's Voting Record:
Day 1: Cull (Villager) - Safe Vote
Day 2: Selrahc (Werewolf) - Lynch Vote
Day 3: Jkaen (unknown) - Safe Vote
Day 4: fire&ice (unknown) - Safe Vote
Roland's Voting Record:
Day 1: Cull (Villager) - Safe Vote
Day 2: Selrahc (Werewolf) - Lynch Vote
Day 3: pocketbeetle (Villager) - Lynch Vote
Day 4: fire&ice (unknown) - Safe Vote
If you're going to use voting record as the sole example of 'Wolf versus Villager, you might as well lump me in there with him. The only difference between us is I voted to kill pocketbeetle, while he stayed out of the mess - along with numerous other people. Otherwise, our voting records are the same - even now we both suspect zakalwe, and I'd bet money he suspects fire&ice just as much as I do. If it comes down to it, I'm sure we'd both be willing to switch to fire&ice today (only to return to zakalwe tomorrow) in order to lynch him, as I know I'm still a bit ticked off at losing Mr. Nice Guy over fire&ice.
scooter Wrote:I think both scenarios are just as odd - zakalwe the wolf voting alone twice and zakalwe the villager voting alone twice... And historically, there's a lot more grounds to think that his behavior fits a werewolf than a villager.
This is indeed part of why I suspect zakalwe. His overall behavior has been... very noncommittal in turns of who he suspects, combined with so many safe votes, it's just too damn suspicious to turn away from. If he's a Villager I'll frankly be amazed.
Right now the only one I'm willing to lynch over zakalwe is fire&ice, as if he is a 'Wolf it will go a long way to proving zakalwe is, as well. If he's not... well, as I said before, it doesn't clear zakalwe, but it doesn't make him any more guilty, per se.
novice Wrote:Those three red letters F&I were indeed hard to spot out there to the right.
This is why I always put my lynch vote in bold, usually on its own line. Makes it impossible to miss. 
Rowain Wrote:People I would insta-lynch(PS only here in this game): Roland
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Ok, I am making a last call: Villagers, join me on F&I. We all have suspected him already. That doesn't mean he is a wolf but at this point in time with not really much evidence to go on I would rather trust our gut feeling. And as most of us have suspected him already the chances that the wolves tried to point us to a villager are not as high as with others.
Or whoever feels that we should lynch someone else, show us another target which we mostly can agree on. I don't see anyone besides F&I.
Btw: With that amount of villagers which are not able to play (not wanting to be offensive guys, just stating it) it is kinda hard to see any chances for us. Except for the case that most of those being oh so quiet are wolves anyway.
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Serdoa Wrote:Ok, I am making a last call: Villagers, join me on F&I. We all have suspected him already. That doesn't mean he is a wolf but at this point in time with not really much evidence to go on I would rather trust our gut feeling. And as most of us have suspected him already the chances that the wolves tried to point us to a villager are not as high as with others.
Or whoever feels that we should lynch someone else, show us another target which we mostly can agree on. I don't see anyone besides F&I.
I'm holding my vote for the time being, but you know I'll swap to fire&ice if it looks like we won't be getting anywhere otherwise. Besides, I think we can all agree that at this point fire&ice is not contributing in any way, and has basically checked out of the game.
Serdoa Wrote:Btw: With that amount of villagers which are not able to play (not wanting to be offensive guys, just stating it) it is kinda hard to see any chances for us. Except for the case that most of those being oh so quiet are wolves anyway.
My biggest concern at the moment is losing Bruindane. I know it won't cost us anything, technically speaking (since losing Cull already did that), but it still would be bad - unless of course he's a 'Wolf. Regardless, I wonder if he's going to make it back in time. Not looking too good at this point.
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Meiz Wrote:When it was between Selrahc and PB, why did Selrahc not vote against PB? He was a villager in lead after all. PB votes at the time: Rowain, Lewwyn, Jkaen, Mardoc, Fire & Ice, Cull, scooter
What if the only reason was, that there were already enough wolves voting for PB, so they had to spread out votes?
I don't trust you, but this is an interesting observation. Curiously, (if your data is correct), all four of the people on my "remaining suspects list" voted for Pocketbeetle at that time. (Rowain, Lewwyn, Mardoc, Fire&Ice)
scooter Wrote:Also - the same thing could be said in reverse. If he's a villager, can you explain to me why he would vote alone against uberfish and fire&ice, knowing that he will stand out from other players and people would mislabel him as a werewolf (and he wouldn't be helping the village by casting an irrelevant vote), thus hurting team village?
To be honest, that thought never even crossed my mind. I don't worry about what looks suspicious or not until it gets to the point where I need to defend myself. It would probably be counterproductive anyway to think along those lines - if villagers were to worry constantly about attracting suspicion, they would look an awful lot like wolves. 
Roland Wrote:What if he's a 'Wolf? He could be trying to bluff us into thinking he's a Villager, and thus not vote for him - thereby saving himself. Moreover, if it works, and he is spared, we'll never know what he is until the end - but he's doing a good job of sewing suspicion onto two targets most people feel are innocent. Is that truly a solid Villager strategy - attack the foundations of our beliefs, thereby INCREASING the potential 'Wolf pool, and making it more difficult for us to find a 'Wolf? If he was picking someone who's more likely to be a 'Wolf I wouldn't put up a fuss, but honestly, at this point his behavior is more suspicious than it is innocent, and it's coming at a time when multiple people are suspecting him. Now, with zakalwe under heavy suspicion, he comes up with this theory, and zakalwe chimes in "Hey, yeah, you DO look suspicious Rowain!", thereby removing suspicion from himself, and potentially - if Rowain is a Villager - furthering us along the road to defeat. It's adding more obfuscation when right now we need clarity.
I probably shouldn't go down this road, but seriously, what kind of attitude is this? "How DARE you accuse ME, an innocent villager?" At least Dantski knew how to sum it up in one sentence.
Everybody is a suspect, Roland. You don't see anyone else pissing and moaning like this when they get suspected. They present a defense and move on - that's how the game works. The way you consistently try to paint anyone who accuses you as "dissenters" is quite annoying.
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I agree that we villagers need to unite, but I disagree on the target. I still think F&I lynch will give us very little info, so I'm not willing to lynch him. Not yet at least. He's not going to disappear anywhere. But what we need to do is discuss of our suspicions. The current silence is deafening, and I feel like half of the time I'm discussing with couple of wolves 
zakalwe Wrote:I don't trust you, but this is an interesting observation. Curiously, (if your data is correct), all four of the people on my "remaining suspects list" voted for Pocketbeetle at that time. (Rowain, Lewwyn, Mardoc, Fire&Ice)
Do you honestly think your that all four wolves would vote for the same target?
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Meiz Wrote:Do you honestly think your that all four wolves would vote for the same target?
No... and I don't think all of my four suspects are wolves, either. It's a list of probable wolves.
Regarding lynch strategies... I don't think "how much is revealed" should be a deciding factor for who to lynch here. We should lynch the person we feel is most likely to be a wolf. With more night kills and the potential revelation of the masons, things will inevitably become clearer. We just need to stop lynching villagers in the meantime.
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Zakalwe, why do you think you list of people are possible wolves?
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