Sengoku Chevalier: Hiun no Kishi

[ljubljana]

what are our yields from those toku trade routes? :D

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

102

Like this:

 

Not super impressive yet, but as soon as Korutu reaches size 7 then I can slap down the Plaza for +1 of everything, and that multiplies by the 5 trade routes I'll have available then, so not bad at all. 

THe only downside is my civ really rewards having one massive city at the heart of your empire, and I live in a food desert. If I were in Rome's position, the game would frankly be over, and I don't mean that as a boast - just that Tokugawa is that good if allowed to get going.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

103



Notes: Our shrine finishing at last fixes our food problem, at least temporarily, it seems. Theology for Temples will be a good target after Feudalism. I start builders to try and get 4 more farms out to hurry that up. Samurai will be a good deterrent to anything short of muskets, and I need to upgrade my city strength double-quick. I also get an iron mine down to begin accumulating that resource. 

I place one IZ, at my fourth city. The rest are waiting on, what else, population growth! 

Note: Despite my astonishingly poor start I'm STILL somehow about equal with Korea in yields. ???? What are they doing over there.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Edit: New Research target is Construction for Aqueducts, Tekisanzu is tapped out on housing until I get that aqueduct up. Then we'll try and beeline Industrialization as best we can.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Mostly uneventful turns for me as I slowly scrape out builders and try to crawl my cities towards any kind of population. I need to swap to Settlers soon but I'll likely have to do it without the plaza.

Whosit is building wonders and declared war on La Venta, while I'll be at Feudalism for Samurai shortly so at least in the next ~30 turns we won't get eaten. Still feels like an exercise in futility on the whole, though. Tough game.

[ljubljana]

well, glad to see whosit investing in wonders, most of which have somewhat-to-very dubious payoffs in civ6 IMO (which ones did they go for, btw?), instead of expanding into our border region or killing someone. where there is life, there is hope! greatly looking forward to the settler wave, and i do think you can manage with just colonization although the lack of the free AH builder will be pretty brutal. the current issue with the plaza is lack of pop in matsudaira korotu, right? is it going to be housing-capped at 6 or can you make it to 7? in theory you could have the others build settlers WHILE the capital starts the GP, and then use the time it takes them to walk to their destinations to finish the AH, possibly via chop of the forest NW of the capital. 150 hammers for a free feudalism-boosted builder at all of the (hopefully many!) cities we have yet to settle in the south still seems like an amazing deal even if you have to pull some tricks to get it online in time. that free builder can chop out the harbor and hopefully some of the lighthouse with a full 5 charges, and that's really all it takes for the new cities to start paying back with toku

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

I can make it to 7 now that the shrine is up for food and I have housing (11 housing, 6 pop atm). It's just a matter of growing there. I think my best bet is a wave of settlers from 3 cities w/Colonization, while I try to chop out the AH to finish and enable Serfdom just before settling.

He's gone for stuff like the Oracle and the Hanging Gardens, Temple of Artemis. Tons of goodies on top of all of his yields. I'm very jealous, but thankfully he's not tunnel visioned on just murdering me or Greenline (frankly, he doesn't need to be, it semes like he's dusting all of us anyway).

[ljubljana]

ok, good - unless things have changed since my last game, those are all pretty marginal and only ToA is arguably worth diverting early hammers from the snowball. Whosit definitely doesn't need to be killing one of you.... but they also probably /should/ be, as i'm pretty confident that this is their peak of the relative power curve between yall. there aren't really any bad plays for them from here with a start like they apparently got (i am really looking forward to seeing their defogged capital lol), but i'm grateful that they are at least not taking any of what i consider to be the best ones.

if we can settle that southern peninsula and rome doesn't have deep backlines, we may end up, in the super long-term (like, in the industrial age long-term), with advantages in both quantity of land and quality of the resultant cities from the juiced trade route yields and japan adjacencies.... and i think it's conceivable that we will get to do that, especially if we can take HK and position our next few cities in such a way as to cut off whosit's expansion to the southeast. still a very grim situation, don't get me wrong, but i'm also feeling more hopeful about it than i've ever been so far. maybe that degree of optimism borders on delusion but i do think you still have a path to play for here, if things continue in this way and you can get this AH + settler wave + free serfdom builders plan off successfully. maybe it requires you to be allowed to build in peace for the next 100 turns while everyone else messes around aimlessly but that could happen! it seems like it's happened for the last 50 turns at least, which is an encouraging sign

what is your other religious belief, by the way? i am assuming you got feed the world (!!!) but i don't think you ever mentioned the second one (at least that i saw)

also, idea: should we consider saving a crapton of gold so we can instantly buy lighthouses (and perhaps traders?) in the new cities after chopping out the harbors? now that would REALLY kick us back up the growth curve if we can pull it off. at 480 gold per lighthouse and with a pretty good income already, it's looking like you could probably amass the required savings for at least 2 of them in around the same timeframe as you'd be settling.... although i suppose the opportunity cost is upgrading samurai to go after hong kong, which may be more urgent (though it looks like we might be limited by our single iron to one upgrade/5 turns...)

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Gold for Samurai is the first priority, since I need to be sufficiently spiky. Right now we're using horsemen to face off Men at Arms, which is clearly unsustainable. But yes, I want to use any means possible to rush lighthouses and traders, and if there's spare gold, then that's the priority. I also need to get faith up, but I only have the two holy sites (again, the lack of pop to build more!) so there's no real way to improve it atm. Faith will be more traders and settlers and builders as it comes in.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Hooray!



We stagger to Feudalism, so we can live until at least Muskets, maybe even longer. I also get Serfdom, and can start kicking out builders in seriousness for a chopping spree. 



Finishing up a few infrastructure projects and then settlers everywhere, while I get a Plaza going in Korutu. Both my first two cities have 11 housing and lots of food now.