[SPOILERS] Cornflakes PB53

[mackoti]

So for Rifling would you need Monarchy, Feudalism, Guilds, Banking, Gunpowder, Printing Press, Replaceable Parts, and Rifling?

And for Cuirs you just need Momarchy, Feud, Guilds, Gunpowder, and MilTrad?

I supose he wants GP via education,Its a very common strategy on SP on high level and is working very well.

[vanrober]

I saw a Lain video in youtube with isabella of spain doing so on deity

[Cornflakes]

Very neat, I had never thought about that.

Normally skipping knights would not be practical simply due to the sheer number of beakers required to hit MT + Gunpowder vs. Guilds. However the Advanced Start setup and my slower starting traits got me thinking about how I might be able to eke out an advantage. I knew I was not a favorite for first to knights, and in an accelerated game their window of usefulness will be very narrow ... in fact the era of knight dominance is already past with Commodore and scooter both at parity with Knights, me with defensive Pikes and Castles, and Mr. Cairo with defensive Ballista Elephants. Any knight attacks will now be grinding and unproductive. My Philosophical trait and MoM + Pyramids wonders put me in a unique position to rapidly advance through the Renaissance era. 5 Great People worth of trade missions/bulbs is about 7,000 beakers-equivalent.

Eventually the rocket fuel will burn up, and my teching will stall out due to small empire size. They key now is to pick the right time to slingshot the tech into military. I can hit Gunpowder right away to have Cuirs around T108 with Astronomy T120, or I can slip in Astronomy first T108 and hit Gunpowder around T112 (skipping Chemistry). I think Astronomy first is clearly better and am beginning to plan my military buildup based on this timing.

I swapped civics T99, so I can swap again T104 on last turn of current GA. I can adopt Nationalism + Slavery + Police State, draft Maces, and whip out catapults/EIM. And then once Cuirs are unlocked I can whip those while drafting Muskets. I "only" need 3 GScientists in the Astro-first scenario to bulb Education + Printing Press + Astronomy. I will for sure be able to achieve scientist for Education, Artist for GA#2, and scientist for Printing Press (described in my T100 report above). 2nd GP for GA#2 will be starved out, and I'll be close enough to the last scientist that the NE island city will get it in time for the Astro bulb.

The longer I wait, the more advanced Carthage will get and the more time they'll have to product defenders. So I have to balance delaying for tech and buildup, vs. speed. The tactical leap from galleys to EIM is I think ideal time to make an attack. I'll send loaded EIM forward into the backlines, while beginning the sieges of the border cities. Then, Cuirs will arrive on scene just as the border cities are falling and can dominate the field from that point forward.

[mackoti]

Very neat, I had never thought about that.

Normally skipping knights would not be practical simply due to the sheer number of beakers required to hit MT + Gunpowder vs. Guilds. However the Advanced Start setup and my slower starting traits got me thinking about how I might be able to eke out an advantage. I knew I was not a favorite for first to knights, and in an accelerated game their window of usefulness will be very narrow ... in fact the era of knight dominance is already past with Commodore and scooter both at parity with Knights, me with defensive Pikes and Castles, and Mr. Cairo with defensive Ballista Elephants. Any knight attacks will now be grinding and unproductive. My Philosophical trait and MoM + Pyramids wonders put me in a unique position to rapidly advance through the Renaissance era. 5 Great People worth of trade missions/bulbs is about 7,000 beakers-equivalent.

Eventually the rocket fuel will burn up, and my teching will stall out due to small empire size. They key now is to pick the right time to slingshot the tech into military. I can hit Gunpowder right away to have Cuirs around T108 with Astronomy T120, or I can slip in Astronomy first T108 and hit Gunpowder around T112 (skipping Chemistry). I think Astronomy first is clearly better and am beginning to plan my military buildup based on this timing.

I swapped civics T99, so I can swap again T104 on last turn of current GA. I can adopt Nationalism + Slavery + Police State, draft Maces, and whip out catapults/EIM. And then once Cuirs are unlocked I can whip those while drafting Muskets. I "only" need 3 GScientists in the Astro-first scenario to bulb Education + Printing Press + Astronomy. I will for sure be able to achieve scientist for Education, Artist for GA#2, and scientist for Printing Press (described in my T100 report above). 2nd GP for GA#2 will be starved out, and I'll be close enough to the last scientist that the NE island city will get it in time for the Astro bulb.

The longer I wait, the more advanced Carthage will get and the more time they'll have to product defenders. So I have to balance delaying for tech and buildup, vs. speed. The tactical leap from galleys to EIM is I think ideal time to make an attack. I'll send loaded EIM forward into the backlines, while beginning the sieges of the border cities. Then, Cuirs will arrive on scene just as the border cities are falling and can dominate the field from that point forward.

Cartage is TBS?GL.

[sunrise089]

Cartage is TBS?GL.

Correct!

[El Grillo]

I like the thought process behind the plan. Good luck, and looking forward to see how things develop.

[mackoti]

So you plan on libbing MT?

[sunrise089]

Yes mackoti, he said that up-thread IIRC. Good to see you around.

Also scooter gonna be going crazy with all the lurker activity here

[Cyneheard]

Yes mackoti, he said that up-thread IIRC. Good to see you around.

Also scooter gonna be going crazy with all the lurker activity here

It's a mackoti sighting, and it's T100, it's fine.

EDIT: And of course I'm making it worse. Lurkers of the threads, JOIN ME IN TROLLING SCOOTER

[Thoth]