WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[sunrise089]

I feel you are not accounting in your description for pindicators switch, which was surprising but could have taken place by any player on Meiz at that time.

Kaiser, Meiz's style here, town or scum, is to be totally confident that no Bob voters will flip, no Meiz voters will flip, and then Bob and I will both snipe Meiz and Bob respectively. pindicator then flips "ruining" my plan and Bob never comes online at all. Other players might realize pind flipping his vote means the entire premise of the argument was much shakier than originally thought, but Meiz in ww doesn't seemingly have that gene.

[Kaiser]

I am not sure why you have me in the already decided "commodore" camp there. I switched very late, even inconsequentially as someone (Rowain?) voted before me to change the tally from a good to a strong Commodore lead. I was overanalyzing that day and quickly concluded my preferred vote to be Adrien who already had lost traction again when I posted.

It would be great to see you answering to my questions at some point!

As I said, your vote was late and inconsequential.  Rowain is not colored with the same brush because he made it clear that he wanted to lynch Commodore all day long.  Rowain always moves his vote around a lot for pressure but usually you know where he wants to end up.

I have stated the reasons I think you are suspicious before Kaiser.  I am dubious on your role claim.  I see that your posts sow a lot of confusion and have a lot of fanciful theories.  And your voting history is suspect.  Mostly, its a vibe I get from you, which generally speaking, is enough for me to vote someone.

Thanks for getting back.

Bolding mine, that is no what you said, here is the quote from the Jabbz passage

He was in the "already decided" pile-on on Commodore on D2 with GES and Kaiser

So your reasons voting me are:
a. dubious role claim
b. post sowing confusion
c. fanciful theories
d. voting history
e. But mostly its a vibe

Maybe I can help you figuring out that I am town.
a. Did Bob's role reveal change anything about my role claim in your perspective?
b+c. I am sorry if my posts do not help you, they help me figuring out my thoughts and what might be happening in the game. I can see that people would find them confusing, as I do not know the answers. I, ultimately, hope though that my posts help people thinking about the game.
d. Did you already lay this out somewhere? I mean, sure I wasted Day2 with overdocumenting and resting way too long on Rowain without participating properly to end up with a rushed analysis and inconsequential vote at the end. But I did help getting thrawn on Day1, I did not participate in the mis-lynch of Lewwyn. Am I really the person with the worst voting history here (honest question, I did not compare all living players yet)
e. Above is anyways irrelevant as it has been a vibe? This seems pretty vague, especially as it sounds like this is the most important of your motivations to vote for me, however it is also the easiest to shrug off later

I currently have one thing in favor of you, I can only explain you being scum with Meiz also being scum, which I fear but doubt.

[Rowain]

4) What you call nit-picking I call catching lies. I grant you that later in the game there's more to go on, but if for instance pindicator had actually good back and checked post before just guessing in his responses a lot of my hostility to him would have evaporated. I don't apologize for having a high standard about lies and falsehoods.

What about Kaiser then?

[Meiz]

I feel you are not accounting in your description for pindicators switch, which was surprising but could have taken place by any player on Meiz at that time.

Kaiser, Meiz's style here, town or scum, is to be totally confident that no Bob voters will flip, no Meiz voters will flip, and then Bob and I will both snipe Meiz and Bob respectively. pindicator then flips "ruining" my plan and Bob never comes online at all. Other players might realize pind flipping his vote means the entire premise of the argument was much shakier than originally thought, but Meiz in ww doesn't seemingly have that gene.

That's the opposite of what I've been saying, did you read my linked post a moment back?

[sunrise089]

Was included yes.

Meiz, can you be super extra clear here, was the NAME of your previous ability used verbatim in the new PM? 

Rowain, that is an excellent question.

[Meiz]

Was included yes.

Meiz, can you be super extra clear here, was the NAME of your previous ability used verbatim in the new PM? 

Rowain, that is an excellent question.

Yup.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Well the main part of your post paints sunrise black but then you go and vote Kaiser.

Omar said he thought Talking Dog did an overall admirable job of defense and was really only think he is about 40% to pop villain. That's about as high as anyone, but nowhere near certain.

Omar feel like Robot been the shadiest player for several days. You wanted me to follow my own leads, well, that was Omar's best guess.

BTW, Omar already on court call with the black robes, so depending on when Omar's turn is up, he might disappear for a bit.

[sunrise089]

@sunrise Can you entertain the thought that Gaspar is town and Meiz is scum? Who would be the other scum then in your opinion?

Yes. Then Meiz is buddying Gaspar since start of game. But I think Meiz defending scum Gaspar prob makes even more sense than Meiz defending town Gaspar. And, as you saw generally Gaspar is following Meiz and not the other way around.

I do not know who the other scum would be. I am sorry. In general I've gone scum lean on Alhambram based on him voting me hard after being my friend for most of the game, and then making what I consider a bad argument, getting called out, and disappearing despite any voting pressure on him. I read that as getting coached in wolf thread to make an attack and then pulling back when it didn't land. But to be clear the real reason I'm lower on Alhambram than others is because he's on me and I know I'm town.

Rowain, since I confirmed Brick randomized alignments but not powers, what do you think the odds 1 of 2 Neighbors would be scum are? If random it would be 52% at least one would be scum.

[Rowain]

One more thing: Throughout the game 4 people have attacked me as scum for laughable reasons: Commodore, Bob ,Jabbz and Kaiser. 2 of them are already proven scum.

I don't recall attacking you as scum Rowain. Could you clarify?

If you mean "Did you vote for me" then AFAIK the answer is no. If you mean have you posted several times how I make you uneasy or doubtful or claiming you need to look deeper into Rowain and so on then yes.

[sunrise089]

You are like a small town beat cop who hassles a kid about whether he shoplifted a shirt. When the kid shows his copy of the receipt and the store owner confirms the purchase you then say "sure, but where'd you get those shoes..."

Am I wrong here? https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid755982

Yes, you are super over-confident. Saying "sunrise switching is predictable" "Bob switching is predicable" "anyone else switching cannot be expected" and then HAVING THE FIRST SWITCH BE SOMEONE ELSE should make a good and decent human being re-examine their prior assumptions.