WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Jabbz]

One more thing: Throughout the game 4 people have attacked me as scum for laughable reasons: Commodore, Bob ,Jabbz and Kaiser. 2 of them are already proven scum.

I don't recall attacking you as scum Rowain. Could you clarify?

If you mean "Did you vote for me" then AFAIK the answer is no. If you mean have you posted several times how I make you uneasy or doubtful or claiming you need to look deeper into Rowain and so on then yes.

While also making the statement that I'm pretty sure you're town, especially over the last two days. You make me uneasy because while your play has been exceptional, we have butted heads on a few different issues, and you almost come across as too smooth. Take your compliment and stop mischaracterizing what I say please.

[Rowain]

Rowain, since I confirmed Brick randomized alignments but not powers, what do you think the odds 1 of 2 Neighbors would be scum are? If random it would be 52% at least one would be scum.

I'm not sure we can go with 1 of 2 neighbors have to be scum. BRick isn't a newby GM that might make such a mistake. He has shown in past games (IIRC) that he does like to punish players that try to outguess him.

We have also tracker,watcher,beholder,motion detector, voyeur as claimed or confirmed powers. Additional Meiz and Gaspar claims.

[sunrise089]

@Meiz - a few things from 1,810:

1) I was on Commodore pretty early D4. My vote IMHO def hurt him, it wasn't a late-day flip over.

But you don't think Gaspar's D1&D2 hurt him, but was a bussing play?

I do think Gaspar's D2 hurt him, I don't think I've said otherwise.

I think on D1 Gaspar voted a villager while I voted scum. I think Gaspar was leaving it very open depending on how the votes fell to 'be convinced' by Lewwyn and move to thrawn and set up a Lewwyn mislynch. Instead that mislynch happened D3, the first available day when a Lewwyn vote target was shown to be a townie.

[Jabbz]

Also @Rowain how about you address the other responses I've made to your comments. You accuse me of shit, but don't read what I say, or at least don't bother to respond to it.

[sunrise089]

4) What you call nit-picking I call catching lies. I grant you that later in the game there's more to go on, but if for instance pindicator had actually good back and checked post before just guessing in his responses a lot of my hostility to him would have evaporated. I don't apologize for having a high standard about lies and falsehoods.

What about Kaiser then?

I think I've pushed Kaiser as hard as anyone on the breadcrumb claim, including in my scum summary last night. Is there another lie/illogical claim that I'm overlooking?

[Kaiser]

No one can expect Pindicator's to-be switch and I think at the time, any player swithing away from me (indicator, Jabbz, Kaiser, Alhambram) seemed unlikely. Additionally I think one wolf was alread onto me. So as scum-sunrise, there would be motivation to wait out a bit before making sure that Bob will be the one to hang. If anyone changes from Bob to me, I'm 100% dead. Though I personally see as likely explanation being an unsure scum behavior (hesitance to kill wolfpal), as I've described before.

I do not know if there was already a wolf on you, that likely depends on you being wolf or town. In case you are town, I would suspect it highly likely that 2 wolves were already on you as you have the better town credit and bob was already on me.

If I understood Gaspar correctly, he is blaming sunrise that he not voted quickly enough for Bob or Meiz endangering Meiz as we know bob is scum.

However, as I laid out, voting quickly would be the play for the wolves to ensure the tiebreaker, with the danger of a later switch by one of the non-wolves (i.e. pindicator) which might even have been higher as people might become doubts due to the quick succession of Sunrise and Bob switching their votes.

I agree that waiting with the vote by sunrise can be towny or scummy, getting better information before committing a final vote is important for both sides. To summarize:
- I am not sure sunrise voting Gaspar instead of Bob is scummy in itself
- I do not agree that he should have voted quickly to save Meiz if he did not have the information at hand
- I get shivers on my back when thinking about a Gaspar, Meiz scum team that pushed extremly early (simultaneously with pindicator switching vote) on sunrise not switching his vote and now pushing on this argument

[Gaspar]

My D2 hurt me... where I was one of the cheerleaders for the scum lynch?

Talk about moving goalposts, I championed a scum lynch, I voted a villager because of that scum lean. On D4 I helped a scum lynch achieve critical mass. What do I have to do besides hang to prove I'm helping the village.

Its ridiculous.

[sunrise089]

I feel you are not accounting in your description for pindicators switch, which was surprising but could have taken place by any player on Meiz at that time.

Kaiser, Meiz's style here, town or scum, is to be totally confident that no Bob voters will flip, no Meiz voters will flip, and then Bob and I will both snipe Meiz and Bob respectively. pindicator then flips "ruining" my plan and Bob never comes online at all. Other players might realize pind flipping his vote means the entire premise of the argument was much shakier than originally thought, but Meiz in ww doesn't seemingly have that gene.

That's the opposite of what I've been saying, did you read my linked post a moment back?

I read it. What part of what I said specifically is the opposite of what you said? You said that you thought I'd move, thought Bob would move, and that no one could consider pindicator moving. 

Remember Meiz you said over and over a 5-5 tie. If Bob and I don't move that's impossible so OF COURSE you expected us to move.

[Rowain]

Instead that mislynch happened D3, the first available day when a Lewwyn vote target was shown to be a townie.

You are abit unfair here. The Lewwyn mislynch happened because the not Lewwyn-target was scum and Lewwyn tried his best to derail it.

[Meiz]

No one can expect Pindicator's to-be switch and I think at the time, any player swithing away from me (indicator, Jabbz, Kaiser, Alhambram) seemed unlikely. Additionally I think one wolf was alread onto me. So as scum-sunrise, there would be motivation to wait out a bit before making sure that Bob will be the one to hang. If anyone changes from Bob to me, I'm 100% dead. Though I personally see as likely explanation being an unsure scum behavior (hesitance to kill wolfpal), as I've described before.

I do not know if there was already a wolf on you, that likely depends on you being wolf or town. In case you are town, I would suspect it highly likely that 2 wolves were already on you as you have the better town credit and bob was already on me.

I think it's a total random shot. Wolves could as well tjhink you are more easily lynchable than me.

However, as I laid out, voting quickly would be the play for the wolves to ensure the tiebreaker, with the danger of a later switch by one of the non-wolves (i.e. pindicator) which might even have been higher as people might become doubts due to the quick succession of Sunrise and Bob switching their votes.

If sunrise is scum, him voting me & me revealign as town would be a death sentence for both him & Bob.