WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Kaiser]

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Rowain
Roland was a terrible town-player and far better wolf. He bludgeoned people into silence with huge walls of text.  
A post of him where he kept it brief: (He was wolf there)
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Thanks, i will check this guy but likely only after the game

I mentioned in my EoN post already that you and Gaspar earn slight town leans for jumping early on the Bob train. It is not too big of a lean though as the arguments were there most of the game to lynch bob for these reasons and the train did start quite late.

One thing I did realize while writing my question about the swing voters was that you were basically worth 2 votes last day. This and the fact that you did not lynch Meiz (or me with some help) but Bob are a big town lean in my book, with the same drawback as Gaspar has, if you are a wolf, then Meiz is the other.

I think Meiz already came aroudn to it, so please think about my role reveal and how this might have influenced my approach to hunting scum this game. Is my reason to suspect you really that suspicious? (granted my role reveal was after Day2, were I voted you, however my WoT Day1 covers already some doubts I had about you then)

[sunrise089]

- I get shivers on my back when thinking about a Gaspar, Meiz scum team that pushed extremly early (simultaneously with pindicator switching vote) on sunrise not switching his vote and now pushing on this argument

Added to this, evidence 1 was sunrise doing a tiebreaker gambit, evidence 2 was "it will look bad if pindicator flips town" said early at night and then pindicator hangs. Killing pindicator N4 would be so stupid for scum sunrise. And Meiz looks scummy for saying it so early so that when I flip town he can say scum saw that night post and set him up.

[Meiz]

I feel you are not accounting in your description for pindicators switch, which was surprising but could have taken place by any player on Meiz at that time.

Kaiser, Meiz's style here, town or scum, is to be totally confident that no Bob voters will flip, no Meiz voters will flip, and then Bob and I will both snipe Meiz and Bob respectively. pindicator then flips "ruining" my plan and Bob never comes online at all. Other players might realize pind flipping his vote means the entire premise of the argument was much shakier than originally thought, but Meiz in ww doesn't seemingly have that gene.

That's the opposite of what I've been saying, did you read my linked post a moment back?

I read it. What part of what I said specifically is the opposite of what you said? You said that you thought I'd move, thought Bob would move, and that no one could consider pindicator moving. 

Remember Meiz you said over and over a 5-5 tie. If Bob and I don't move that's impossible so OF COURSE you expected us to move.

You're hanging onto the incorrect tiebreak accustation, which I don't think I've even used this day.

So this is not what I'm saying:
"Kaiser, Meiz's style here, town or scum, is to be totally confident that no Bob voters will flip, no Meiz voters will flip, and then Bob and I will both snipe Meiz and Bob respectively. "

No one can expect Pindicator's to-be switch and I think at the time, any player swithing away from me (indicator, Jabbz, Kaiser, Alhambram) seemed unlikely. Additionally I think one wolf was alread onto me. So as scum-sunrise, there would be motivation to wait out a bit before making sure that Bob will be the one to hang. If anyone changes from Bob to me, I'm 100% dead. Though I personally see as likely explanation being an unsure scum behavior (hesitance to kill wolfpal), as I've described before.

[sunrise089]

My D2 hurt me... where I was one of the cheerleaders for the scum lynch?

Talk about moving goalposts, I championed a scum lynch, I voted a villager because of that scum lean. On D4 I helped a scum lynch achieve critical mass. What do I have to do besides hang to prove I'm helping the village.

Its ridiculous.

I'm so sorry, that was supposed to be DON'T not DO. Apologies Gaspar!

[sunrise089]

Of course your D2 early on Comm is good move. Apologies again

[Jabbz]

Well I feel pretty confident the Isaac vote isn't going anywhere. I don't have any scum reads on Gaspar, so in order to prevent my other scum feel from swinging, I'm switching to sunrise. Unless someone switches directly from sunrise to Gaspar last minute, it should ensure he swings.

[sunrise089]

If sunrise is scum, him voting me & me revealign as town would be a death sentence for both him & Bob.

I mean it just wouldn't be. You think this game is so much less chaotic than it is. Scum sunrise could have his pick of nightkill to try to derail or frame and then spend the day defending or bussing bob, then another night kill. If you're confident that after killing Meiz, Gaspar, and Rowain while leaving pindicator alive that it would be 100% guaranteed the final scum would die you're just being silly.

[Rowain]

So perhaps you are both town where does that leave us?

[Meiz]

Shitty D5

[Jabbz]

Damn thats worded terribly. In order to make sure my other scum feel doesn't manage to get rescued. Ignore my poor prose.