December 16th, 2012, 06:14
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(December 15th, 2012, 22:37)Bigger Wrote: mild spoiler
December 16th, 2012, 06:42
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(December 16th, 2012, 06:14)uberfish Wrote: (December 15th, 2012, 22:37)Bigger Wrote: mild spoiler
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December 16th, 2012, 06:53
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(December 16th, 2012, 06:26)Serdoa Wrote: Rowain -> Hunter / Wolf / Dragon
Selrahc -> Hunter / Wolf / Dragon
waterbat -> Hunter / Wolf / Dragon
So, all in all, I know that you are Air Elemental, that Mattimeo is Fire Elemental and that I am Hill Giant. And I am pretty certain that we have 3 scum left. Therfore all of them are my no. 1 suspect, as all of them are scum. I do believe that we can't win as village anymore (even if we lynch scum, they will openly talk in the thread at night as the game will be over by then in regards to lynches), and so the only way to at least achieve a draw for us is by working with one of them. And what is our incentive for them that they work with us? Well, whoever is not working with us will get lynched and lose the game instead of getting a draw. Right now we have 4 votes in our possession (due to your double-vote) and even if they start openly coordinating right now, they can't prevent the lynch.
Therefore I suggest we offer a deal to achieve a draw together with whoever wants to work with us.
this is interesting. I am not surprised to see this day devolve into lets make a deal, for the same reason ww13 did (well, for me anyway.. but I misplayed it). however, there are a few problems. Besides Rowain busting him for obviously knowing info a dragon wouldnt (nice, Rowain), and therefore clearly being untrustworthy in any deal proposals, there is no possible way for village to get a draw in a game like this. 2 scum factions could draw each other, but the village either wins or loses (since 50% village + 1 scum faction = village loss, 50% village + 2 scum fractions = game continues).
I love this, actually. by the end of the day I strongly suspect every player will know every scum players role - but the village can only lynch one person, its going to come down to whoever has the silverest tongue <G>.
I also find it interesting that Rowain is confessing to killing me and novice, but still claiming to be village  .
also, the village absolutely has a chance to win this thing. they lynch a scum, and there are two scum left, 3 villagers. the scum have to each get a villager and not crossfire to win, but that requires a certain amount of trust, and as contentious as this has gotten and not sure they will trust each other.. if even one gets bitter and kills the other, village will win. I can see any of them doing so just to ensure they get 2nd place, or "beat that @($*$@" .
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December 16th, 2012, 07:02
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(December 16th, 2012, 06:38)Rowain Wrote: Serdoa Serdragoa you did so well till now but I fear your love for risky play cought you now.
I think you are reading too much into Tasunkes posts. I'm not sure how Seeker for Truth would fit with a vig (pindies role) I understand that to rather be a seer. But more telling is your logic here:
(December 16th, 2012, 04:07)Serdoa Wrote: You know that you can't win right? If you lynch Selrahc today, you can assassinate the Dragon, nightkill one villager and then get voted off. Or you can assassinate one villager, dragon nightkills you, you probably can't retaliate (nk-immunity) and that is it for you.[/color] You seem to be sure that Selrahc is not the Dragon and that I'm not the Dragon either which makes me wonder why you are so sure about that. It only leaves you or waterbat as dragons and a poison-dart(waterbat) doesn't fit that well which means you are the Dragon. I also note that you obmit the possible nightkills besides yours which shows that you have not the best intentions.
I think you do know that I'm the one who assassinated novice + Bigger but your error lies in the thinking that I'm scum.
You obmit several points: a) were I scum doing it your way means the village loses no questions asked and a villager Serdoa would never propose it that way.
b) If you were village then you wouldn't need any help from scum. Azza with his 2.1 votes as mayor, Mattimeo + me(+ any villager) would be absolutly enough to vote off whomever they want. I see no reason why villager Serdoa asks for help.
c) I think you are feeling lonely as dragon and that is your last attempt to saw confusion
(December 16th, 2012, 06:26)Serdoa Wrote: Therefore I suggest we offer a deal to achieve a draw together with whoever wants to work with us.
You offered the deal to me first without asking any others which leads me to the believe that you are the Dragon.
(See above)
For what's it worth: I don't compliment Rowain very often, but I really like this post. strategically, I mean.
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December 16th, 2012, 07:50
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(December 16th, 2012, 03:36)Bigger Wrote: im really not sure it makes that much a difference, novice. despite lynching scum both days, village will need more scum crossfire to win.. and it might have been more likely to happy without slowcheetah using his power.
of course he had no choice really after azza calling him out like that. setting himself up for a mislynch would have been disastrous for the village.
Yeah I pretty much had to use it at that point, regardless of the scum distribution. I had thought that it was 1-2-2 and we only had the SK left to kill though. Reading through here it's looking a hell of a lot gloomier for the village.
December 16th, 2012, 09:46
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A real prisoner's dillema we have here ...
December 16th, 2012, 09:51
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This sort of endgame sucks because village is unfairly screwed in this situation, and is why you shouldn't put 3 scum factions in a 16 player game.
also yeah, serdoa clearly knows way too much
December 16th, 2012, 10:05
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lmao. selrahc must be drunk. he was doing much better when he wasn't posting  .
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December 16th, 2012, 10:06
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December 16th, 2012, 10:08
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well clearly mattimeo has some power Tas, since novice and azza did :P. I assume thats what you mean.
This game is coming very close to the point where all remaining scum just admit they are scum and their role, and just beg the villagers to lynch someone else. with azza having 2x vote they can't team up to mislynch.
all 3 have basically confessed already.
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