[SPOILERS] Serdoa goes to war II

[mackoti]

In my opinion not worth.Why?
1.Not spiritual to change between caste and slavery, to use at something caste sistem if you reseach early CoL.
2. I supose your plan doesnt involve AH so second city will at gold be will be not that useful.
3.Capitol not that strong to worth.
4.Land which you discovered looks very good.

[Serdoa]

Thanks mackoti. It hurts me not to do it, just for the lols, but I think you are spot on with your remarks. What a pity

[Serdoa]

Ok, I am still at a loss what to do instead of going for a crazily early CS. It seems playing just normally along might be the right way to do it... or maybe getting a merchant, bulb MC, get an GE and rush Pyramids? But there is Stone nearby, so if I would get that early CS I would be able to get 45-54 hammers per turn into Pyramids (or any other stone wonder). Thats probably enough to get it anyway with the added benefit of having a higher commerce as well. So, anyway, I am trying right now to do something with that cooked start instead of simply doing the standard-stuff. Well, who saw that coming?

However, for now, I am just playing along. I have contact with Brian, Commist and Lewwyn right now. Lewwyn of course has his Sentry, Leadership warrior near my capital. Where else of course? Anyway, I moved my warrior accordingly and that means if he wants to get nearer he has to attack him or move onto flat ground. If he attacks and win (its 3 for me vs 2.2 for him) I'll kill his special warrior anyway. So I doubt he'll do that. If he moves on flat ground I probably attack as well (do forts in neutral territory give their defensive bonus to whoever is standing on the tile?). We'll see. Maybe he moves slightly away from my territory. That certainly would help improve our relations.

What else? Ah, yes, demos:



Basically tied for first in GNP. But I am researching AH with double-req-bonus. On the other hand that means I keep up with the others with the FIN-civs probably leading. Oh, and Brian probably who has a inflated GNP due to being Creative + starting Courthouse = 4 more GNP then anyone else without actually being ahead in research.

First in MfG. Not sure why tbh, at least the other Imp-civs shouldn't work different tiles I would think but whatever.

Second in food. I guess the one with 22 is Commist as they are the only ones with a second city right now. I myself planted mine T16 and played now T17, so I am at least 1 turn ahead of everyone except Commist. And they are at size 4 while I am at size 5. So I am fine with that.

Soldiers. That is interesting. My last C&D was wrong. I had put 2000 soldier points as Mining for Commist. But instead Lewwyn had produced yet another warrior. I am not sure what he needs all this warriors for as we knew that they map is to big to rush the others. Well, whatever.

Lewwyn: 4 warriors
Commist: 2 warriors
scooter: 2 warriors
Brian: 2 warriors + BW (!)

Brian is the only one with BW right now. Good for him I suppose, but I am not sure if it is worth it quite so early with this cap. If he had started with a Granary right away of course it would be nice (at least thats my guess). But without? He needs at least 4 turns to regrow from 2 to 4. Plus 1 turn at 4 starting the settler and one turn at 2 after whipping it. He'll get

T1 - 20 foodhammers
T2 - 80 foodhammers from whip + 13 production = 93
T3 - regrow, produce 2 hammers
T4 - regrow, produce 2 hammers
T5 - size 3, regrow, produce 2 hammers
T6 - regrow, produce 3 hammers -> restart next turn

Total: One settler + 41 hammers

Instead simply staying at 5:

T1 - 22 foodhammers
T2 - 22 foodhammers
T3 - 22 foodhammers, finish settler
T4 - produce 12 hammers + 4 food
T5 - produce 16 hammers + -2 food
T6 - see 5

Total: One settler + 44 hammers

No big deal in the end and he should get 3 commerce more out of it. Ok, so what does that tell me? Granary is OP! Regrow in 2 turns, start settler on the third, whip on the fourth, restart -> Sacrifical Altar. If Brian plays this smart he will easily outexpand all of us. Guess I'll have to get a chariot to harass him - at least if Lewwyn let me

Ok, back to the actual state of the game, techs known:

scooter: Hunting, Wheel, Agri, Mining -> I think he is research Bronze Working
Commist: Myst, Wheel, Hunting, Agri, Fishing, Mining
Lewwyn: Myst, Agri, Hunting, Mining, Fishing, TW (unsure on the last 2)
Brian: Myst, Hunting, Agri, Mining, BW

Myself: Hunting, Fishing, Agri, Mining, TW, Myst

[Serdoa]

I should not squeeze that much information in one post it seems, I'll never get my post-count up this way. But I wonder what others are talking about?

"Woot, I found an icy elephant on a lake!"
"Oh, a pasture without sheep or cow or pig - I wonder if horses are hidden there?"

And that for like 40 posts? I'll bow to your dedication if thats the case guys

[Gaspar]

I should not squeeze that much information in one post it seems, I'll never get my post-count up this way. But I wonder what others are talking about?

"Woot, I found an icy elephant on a lake!"
"Oh, a pasture without sheep or cow or pig - I wonder if horses are hidden there?"

And that for like 40 posts? I'll bow to your dedication if thats the case guys

Way to pick on every thread I've ever made.

[Serdoa]

sorry Gaspar

I am pretty sure your threads are much more interesting then mine though - and thats probably true for those of the others in this game as well. I just don't want to talk about future plans when I myself am not sure what to do at all and I see no point in taking a screenshot of an area 25 tiles away from my cap just because I scouted it this turn.

Of course I could make a screenshot of Lewwyns warrior but he moved "away" from me and I obviously mirrored his move with my warrior. I make easily enough hammers to get a warrior every turn in the cap and I have 2 nearby his so there is no actual real threat. And I am pretty sure that he does not even want to threat me. I think we both know how that would end (PBEM14...) and thats not fun for him nor for me. I am pretty sure we will fight each other this game (woah Sherlock, we are playing AW y'know) but not now.

Anyway. I can also tell my lurkers that scooter settled his second city as well. Leaves only Brian and Lewwyn without 2nd city by my count. And if I haven't fucked up, I can also tell you that scooter has 6 tiles added to his total so he probably settled the same spot I settled (1S of the incense on the PH). Commist on the other hand has added 7 tiles, not sure where he settled, maybe somewhere around the oasis. But that said... wouldn't you just read scooters and Commist threads and find out for sure then listening to my assumptions?

[Serdoa]

Worked out the map. As it is the same as PBEM25 it wasn't that hard. You have 25 8x8 squares so everyone gets 5. Same as in PBEM25, except that the squares there are 6x6.

The marks are for Go(ld), In(cense), Sh(eep), Iv(ory) and De(er).

I'll try and see if I can stitch the parts of the map I scouted together to get the full map. Would be kinda great as toroidal makes my head again spin.

[Serdoa]

Wow, not even one comment for the map I guess that means everyone else already posted that in their threads?

[Mardoc]

Wow, not even one comment for the map I guess that means everyone else already posted that in their threads?

I can neither confirm nor deny your map speculations.

[Gaspar]

Wow, not even one comment for the map I guess that means everyone else already posted that in their threads?

FWIW, I look forward to your updates more than most Serdoa. But when one is totally spoiled not much one can say other than nice work and lots of nice works get boring, I'd imagine.

I do wish you'd update more across the board though, your posts are almost always insightful. And angry. And who appreciates angry more than me?