WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Jabbz]

I'm here Omar.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Did you check your PM time?

[Jabbz]

I'm not sure what you are asking. Could you be more specific?

[Jabbz]

Nevermind, got it from other post. 9:01a. We are in same time zone.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

On N3, you said you read Omar's post, which came in at 9:00 a.m., and sent a late PM to BRick to Behold Omar, right? As in, BRick processed that request after the deadline right?

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Or at least, after the clock was already 9:00 a.m.?

[Jabbz]

The timestamp on my message says 9:01. I'm not sure what other information you are looking for here.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

OK, that's what Omar thought. Omar got a theory. You can decide if Omar is crazy.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Jabbz, Omar used his hour to get some thoughts down.

You know Omar a tracker.  You saw the Bee-Boy results.  So at the very least, you know Omar's role is straight.  

Your conversation with Simp on D6 about the timing of your PM got Omar's cogs spinning.  Skelly not being nightkilled...a lot of stuff just fell into place for Omar.  I mean, if Skelly is a villager, why he still alive?

Look at BRick's deadline post on N3, the night you Beholded Omar after the deadline: "Deadline. You guys and your last minute posts," posted at 9:08 a.m.  BRick says "guys," as in plural.  Omar thinking you were not the only person to send in an after deadline request that night.

Robot posted at 8:59 before Omar, with the bolded "Meiz" hinting that he was using his ability on him.  Old Tea Man then suggested Skelly should prove his ability at 8:59.  Both those posts came in before Omar's post, and were much shorter than Omar's post, yet you still had time to read Omar's long post and PM BRick and BRick accepted your late Behold.  Omar thinking the villains quickly decided to use Doc's ability on villain-Skelly after reading Robot's post as a way of hard-clearing Skelly with Robot's Voyeur ability and avoiding the sitution suggested by Old Tea Man, where Skelly aims and fires and is proven to be shooting blanks.

Notice that right after Robot posts that he actually faked his role usage, there is Jerry! voting Robot two posts later for it in #1,429.  Robot also moves onto Skelly's villain list too in post #1,439.  Who comes along next to vote Robot?  Doc in post #1,458.  Then Skelly votes Robot at #1,480.

Jabbz, Omar asking you to vote Skelly right now to ensure we have the tiebreak if I'm right.  

Omar know you're thinking, "but Skelly could have easily caused a mislynch yesterday and won the game."  Omar thinking this was never about winning.  Omar just looked through the old WW threads.  Skelly has played 19 games.  Doc has played 11 games. The goal has not been to win. They have no doubt won plenty of the games.  Omar thinking the goal has been entertainment.  Add in Flip and Bob, two of the most laidback and funny people at Realms Beyond, and it makes sense for their team.  Hard bus every villain.  Play the maximal troll-villain game.  Play not just to win, but to win in the most memorable and hilarious way possible.

Omar thinking a lot of other things make sense now too.  For instance, why would Skelly and Doc bus Jerry!?  For starters, for the sheer entertainment of it.  But second, Skelly all of a sudden had a lot of doubters and was on the chopping block.  By hard-bussing Jerry!, Skelly instantly has all his village-cred reinvigorated.  Not only was it entertaining, it actually had some strategic purpose if Omar correct.  This would also explain why Jerry did not log on to vote Skelly and save his own neck, and why a villain Doc did not vote Skelly over Jerry!.  Skelly was a villain too.  Jerry! was an intentional sacrifice, both entertaining for them and useful strategically.

Omar thinks a lot of other stuff makes sense too.  Give Omar some time today to coalesce his thoughts, and he will make a post later once he has time to get it all down.  If you read it, and you think Omar wrong, vote Omar.  Omar make sure he post his thoughts plenty early for Skelly to respond.

You know Skelly is going to vote Omar, probably Simp too, so Omar going to get got if you vote him later.  So what's the harm?  But if Omar correct and Skelly and Simp have already voted Omar, village is going to lose this in a tiebreak.

Omar trusted you yesterday.  You're the only person Omar certain is a villager other than himself.  You could have ended the game yesterday if you were a villain with Doc, but you did not.  Omar did not try hard to sway you.  Omar made his case.  Omar trusted his read that you were not Doc's villain buddy and felt comfortable letting you decide the game.  Omar encouraged you to re-read the thread, have fun with it, and make the best choice.  If you vote for Skelly right now, you will have the choice in your own hands again.  You know you're a villager.  Can you be certain any of the other three of us are villagers?  If not, isn't it better that you make the choice again?  

Omar was wrong yesterday.  And Omar has been wrong pretty much the entire game--like you would expect from a villager.  But please hear Omar out today.  Omar not asking you for your vote at the end of the day.  Omar no politician.  Omar just asking you to protect your chance to make a meaningful choice.  

Power to the people.

You made a good choice yesterday.  Better than Omar made.  Give yourself the chance to make that choice again today.

Skelly, you took your shot.  You come at the king, you best not miss.

OBLITERATE Skelly.

[Jabbz]

Yeah.....

Jabbz, Omar used his hour to get some thoughts down.

You know Omar a tracker.  You saw the Bee-Boy results.  So at the very least, you know Omar's role is straight.  

Your conversation with Simp on D6 about the timing of your PM got Omar's cogs spinning.  Skelly not being nightkilled...a lot of stuff just fell into place for Omar.  I mean, if Skelly is a villager, why he still alive?

In my experience trying to decide why someone isn't killed on any given night is pointless. First we never know the minds of wolves, as they play with different information than we do. Second the choice in who to kill is never just "who is the most dangerous" but rather what effect can we get from the kill. That means you could kill a weak person in order to add or subtract suspicion somewhere else, with the implication being even though their arguments are weak you want to shut them down before that. But then its a question of if thats what scum wants you to think , then maybe its the opposite. It's a never ending WIFOM loop that goes nowhere.

Meiz could have been left alive because scum thought they had him thinking the way they wanted, because he is scum, because scum thinks that if they don't kill him it suggests hes scum, or because they just don't think he is dangerous. It could even be someone else was more dangerous. The argument that he is alive by itself is absolutely meaningless.

Look at BRick's deadline post on N3, the night you Beholded Omar after the deadline: "Deadline. You guys and your last minute posts," posted at 9:08 a.m.  BRick says "guys," as in plural.  Omar thinking you were not the only person to send in an after deadline request that night.

Robot posted at 8:59 before Omar, with the bolded "Meiz" hinting that he was using his ability on him.  Old Tea Man then suggested Skelly should prove his ability at 8:59.  Both those posts came in before Omar's post, and were much shorter than Omar's post, yet you still had time to read Omar's long post and PM BRick and BRick accepted your late Behold.  Omar thinking the villains quickly decided to use Doc's ability on villain-Skelly after reading Robot's post as a way of hard-clearing Skelly with Robot's Voyeur ability and avoiding the sitution suggested by Old Tea Man, where Skelly aims and fires and is proven to be shooting blanks.

Actually I didn't have time to read. I have a habit of scanning through stuff for my name when I'm short on time.

Notice that right after Robot posts that he actually faked his role usage, there is Jerry! voting Robot two posts later for it in #1,429.  Robot also moves onto Skelly's villain list too in post #1,439.  Who comes along next to vote Robot?  Doc in post #1,458.  Then Skelly votes Robot at #1,480.

Jabbz, Omar asking you to vote Skelly right now to ensure we have the tiebreak if I'm right.  

Omar know you're thinking, "but Skelly could have easily caused a mislynch yesterday and won the game."  Omar thinking this was never about winning.  Omar just looked through the old WW threads.  Skelly has played 19 games.  Doc has played 11 games. The goal has not been to win. They have no doubt won plenty of the games.  Omar thinking the goal has been entertainment.  Add in Flip and Bob, two of the most laidback and funny people at Realms Beyond, and it makes sense for their team.  Hard bus every villain.  Play the maximal troll-villain game.  Play not just to win, but to win in the most memorable and hilarious way possible.

Omar thinking a lot of other things make sense now too.  For instance, why would Skelly and Doc bus Jerry!?  For starters, for the sheer entertainment of it.  But second, Skelly all of a sudden had a lot of doubters and was on the chopping block.  By hard-bussing Jerry!, Skelly instantly has all his village-cred reinvigorated.  Not only was it entertaining, it actually had some strategic purpose if Omar correct.  This would also explain why Jerry did not log on to vote Skelly and save his own neck, and why a villain Doc did not vote Skelly over Jerry!.  Skelly was a villain too.  Jerry! was an intentional sacrifice, both entertaining for them and useful strategically.

Omar thinks a lot of other stuff makes sense too.  Give Omar some time today to coalesce his thoughts, and he will make a post later once he has time to get it all down.  If you read it, and you think Omar wrong, vote Omar.  Omar make sure he post his thoughts plenty early for Skelly to respond.

You know Skelly is going to vote Omar, probably Simp too, so Omar going to get got if you vote him later.  So what's the harm?  But if Omar correct and Skelly and Simp have already voted Omar, village is going to lose this in a tiebreak.

Omar trusted you yesterday.  You're the only person Omar certain is a villager other than himself.  You could have ended the game yesterday if you were a villain with Doc, but you did not.  Omar did not try hard to sway you.  Omar made his case.  Omar trusted his read that you were not Doc's villain buddy and felt comfortable letting you decide the game.  Omar encouraged you to re-read the thread, have fun with it, and make the best choice.  If you vote for Skelly right now, you will have the choice in your own hands again.  You know you're a villager.  Can you be certain any of the other three of us are villagers?  If not, isn't it better that you make the choice again?  

Omar was wrong yesterday.  And Omar has been wrong pretty much the entire game--like you would expect from a villager.  But please hear Omar out today.  Omar not asking you for your vote at the end of the day.  Omar no politician.  Omar just asking you to protect your chance to make a meaningful choice.  

Power to the people.

You made a good choice yesterday.  Better than Omar made.  Give yourself the chance to make that choice again today.

Skelly, you took your shot.  You come at the king, you best not miss.

OBLITERATE Skelly.

I have never seen anything that would indicate meiz was looking for some kind of troll win. It would be damn poor sportsmanship to bypass a win in a tight match in an effort to seek some kind of super victory.

I also want to point out that I've been concerned about being approached like this end game. Due to my lack of ability to reread leaving me alive towards the end makes it possible that I would end up being misled. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but it does raise my hackles a bit. Also, I've lost one game for town by chasin after meiz like a rabid dog before, so I'm disinclined to do that this round. I'll certainly listen to the arguments you make, but you need much more than what you've posted to be even remotely convincing at this point.