For what it's worth, I fully believe I could have won the game for wolves last day if I was a wolf together with Gaspar. A simple vote switch together to GES or Jabbz would have won the game in an instant.
I'll even go on record here saying that if Meiz is doing what Omar thinks, then mad props to both of them. Omar for figuring it out, and Meiz for the back strength it must take to carry around 10ton brass balls.
(October 18th, 2020, 14:00)Jabbz Wrote: I have never seen anything that would indicate meiz was looking for some kind of troll win. It would be damn poor sportsmanship to bypass a win in a tight match in an effort to seek some kind of super victory.
From Omar's perspective, sportsmanship does not really come into this. Maybe "troll" was the wrong word, but the whole point of these games are to entertain and be entertained--at least that's how Omar plays. Omar decided to come out of a decade of WW retirement because Omar figured he could bring some entertainment with the role-playing aspect and be entertained by others. Since nearly everyone else dropped the role-play quickly (where for art thou, Duo Puppet?), Omar regrets not picking Maggie Simpson, so he could have just made every post a series of terrible Microsoft Paint crayon drawings, since Maggie is pre-lingual, and saved himself a lot of time editing every post to Omar-ize it. Would choosing Maggie have been poor sportsmanship? Omar not sure, but it would have been entertaining as hell.
I guess the other part is, Omar does not really care that much about winning and losing and tries not to take anything that happens in this game personally. Omar feels legit guilt about signing up when it turned out his ability play was limited at best. Hence not playing for over a decade. But since Omar did sign up, he has tried to take the amount of man hours everyone else puts in to this here game seriously and keep the effort level up, even as he has not been particularly entertained himself.
Frankly, Omar hopes he is right and Skelly and Doc played a super funny game. If it turns out it was Doc and Simp all along, I guess we still lose, but the reveal at the end would not be nearly as funny for Omar.
(October 18th, 2020, 14:57)Meiz Wrote: For what it's worth, I fully believe I could have won the game for wolves last day if I was a wolf together with Gaspar. A simple vote switch together to GES or Jabbz would have won the game in an instant.
Yeah, that's kind of Omar's point.
(October 18th, 2020, 14:00)Jabbz Wrote: I also want to point out that I've been concerned about being approached like this end game. Due to my lack of ability to reread leaving me alive towards the end makes it possible that I would end up being misled. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but it does raise my hackles a bit. Also, I've lost one game for town by chasin after meiz like a rabid dog before, so I'm disinclined to do that this round. I'll certainly listen to the arguments you make, but you need much more than what you've posted to be even remotely convincing at this point.
Omar definitely not trying to raise any hackles. Omar definitely mean it yesterday when he say this is just a game. Have fun with it. Last thing in the world to stress out over, homie.
Omar also mean no offense by the lack of a nickname. Omar just have no earthly idea who your character is supposed to be and unlike Robot or Weeb Fox, your avatar just looks like a normal white dude. White people sci-fi stuff mostly lost on Omar. You be offended if Omar calls you No Name? Or Q-Anon? Avatar kind of look vaguely like one of those militia nutjobs.
Anyway, Omar going to play some Hades. Been a couple weeks since Omar had time due to this here game. Omar loves them myths. But Omar will return with the promised anti-Skelly screed.
At this point, Skelly, Omar's OBLITERATE about as successful as yours. Where's BRick to reject Omar's attempt like Mutombo?
Completed: SG2-Wonders or Else!; SG3-Monarch Can't Hold Me; WW3-Surviving Wolf; PBEM3-Replacement for Timmy of Khmer; PBEM11-Screwed Up Huayna Capac of Zulu; PBEM19-GES, Roland & Friends (Mansa of Egypt); SG4-Immortality Scares Me
I forgot to comment on this before. Why did you vote me Alhambram, instead of one of the three currently on the list?
I was waiting whether you and Gaspar suddenly would switch to GES as Meiz and Kaiser did speculate, that is why I waited and switched to other than GES.
I did supsect you because I thought only GES/Jabbz and Gaspar/Jabbz combination was possible. In case that both of you two did switch to GES and I switched to you, Gaspar still would be lynched because he got 2 votes as first.
But any movements didn't happen as feared and my move wasn't needed after all. Since you did move away from Kaiser while staying at Kaiser would seal wolves victory, I believe now that you are a town.
Reason why I didn't believe GES/Gaspar combination wasn't possible is because I thought that tracker was typical town role. But Meiz said now that it is possible after all, so I have to reconsider it now.
I need to sort out things in my mind and was awaiting how your and GES's dialouge was playing out, since I was also interested in it.
(October 18th, 2020, 15:28)Gold Ergo Sum Wrote: Omar definitely not trying to raise any hackles. Omar definitely mean it yesterday when he say this is just a game. Have fun with it. Last thing in the world to stress out over, homie.
Omar also mean no offense by the lack of a nickname. Omar just have no earthly idea who your character is supposed to be and unlike Robot or Weeb Fox, your avatar just looks like a normal white dude. White people sci-fi stuff mostly lost on Omar. You be offended if Omar calls you No Name? Or Q-Anon? Avatar kind of look vaguely like one of those militia nutjobs.
Anyway, Omar going to play some Hades. Been a couple weeks since Omar had time due to this here game. Omar loves them myths. But Omar will return with the promised anti-Skelly screed.
At this point, Skelly, Omar's OBLITERATE about as successful as yours. Where's BRick to reject Omar's attempt like Mutombo?
Raising hackles is just a term that means somethings bothering you. In this case, something I was worried about seems to be coming into play. No offense involved, so no worries.
As to the nickname I'm not sure I caught one :P, and I certainly wouldn't be offended if you called me anything other than late for dinner. Allanon is a character from the Terry Brooks world of Shanarra, and more specifically in this instance, the tv show The Shanaraa Chronicles. Show was, good, books are amazing, and there are currently 31 books in the series (broken down into multiple triliogies for the most part.) Wonderful fantasy with scifi origins that aren't explored until about 4 series in. Hands down one of my favorite literary worlds. Excuse my fanboying.
Well, if wolves really wanted to win, then they would have won already at day 6 when Meiz or Jabbz was wolf.
Honestly the thought of Meiz being wolf and trolling us did cross my mind a little bit but then I did kinda expect Meiz doing no nightkilling Kaiser to prolong our suffering with extra day.
And if either Meiz or Jabbz did that upon purpose, then I would be really irritated, because playing WW takes my time which I could spend elsewhere.
I know that I did sign up for this, but I undersitmated how much time I did invest in WW in retrospective.
Then from three players still alive besides me, only GES remains.
First count shows me gaspar and GES on kaiser, meiz and kaiser on gaspar, and alhambram on me.
Second count shows alhambram moving to GES.
Third has Me joining Meiz and Kaiser on Gaspar.
Fourth has no change.
Final has Alhambram back on me.
Meiz was on Gaspar all day. IIRC he did some work to get others on board. I had made my intent clear both to vote for Isaac and to trust meiz as town. If Meiz had joined me on Isaac I would have stayed. Gaspar as scum would have stayed. That would have left 3 votes on Kaiser, with him to 3 first, and scum would have won. That to me 100% clears Meiz.
I transitioned from Kaiser at 3, to Gaspar at 3. Kaiser, whether town or scum, has to stay on Gaspar otherwise he risks swinging. For Kaiser this becomes a null tell to me.
My being clear should be relatively assured, as all I had to do was stick to my claims and desires to lynch Kaiser, and he almost certainly swings saving Gaspar. Easy decision for scum. Instead, by trusting meiz and his arguments, I join on gaspar and he swings. There is no realistic way scum does this.
Alhambram's lack of commitment to either of the two major votes is questionable, but not horribly so. As scum he could have switched to kaiser earlier, confirming the kill, but once I swapped to gaspar, it was too late, as the best he could do is tie it up. Seems far more like town chasing a lean than scum trying to play something off and screwing up.
That just leaves GES. Omar jumps on Kaiser along with me and Dr. Scum, M.D., and just sits. I popped on Kaiser 5h after start of day, so that made it a good place for Gaspar to be, and a safe place for scum GES to be in order to try to save him scum partner, and win the game. There only other place to move was onto GES, otherwise said scum pair might have moved elsewhere. The only hope they had to win yesterday was me staying where I was at, or convincing someone to pop off gaspar.
So lets review.
Scum Meiz threw the chance to win yesterday. Bad Meiz.
Scum Kaiser maybe acted in self defense willing to buss his partner. I don't see Gaspar jumping straight on his scumbuddy first thing out of the gate however, and never changing.
Scum Jabbs threw the chance to win yesterday. Thats what you get for not reading enough.
Scum Alhambram... I have no idea what scum alhambram is thinking, other than the fact that he completely missed his chance to hop on kaiser when there were 4 of us, and end the game for scum.
Scum GES however, took a smart option of popping the third vote on kaiser early, and when I moved last minute, left him with no options.
My logics always subject to being shit, but in this instance however, I only see two possibilities. GES is scum, or Meiz is a serial killer with abilities that include modmessenger. I know who I'll be lookin at tomorrow if GES isn't scum, but I'm pretty confident Omar will turn over red.
