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Quote:Ok, its looking pretty bad now for me and Meiz, so at least one of us will be up on the block tommorow. so here are my thoughts for what they are worth:
Current guess at WW: Lewwyn, Serdoa, Meiz
Quote:I object! if I was a werewolf then I would say I was an alright one. But yes I may be the WWs best weapon it seems
Funny that you state yourself that you realize how much you worked for the WWs but still you don't even hesitate to tell us about your next suspects.
Quote:Tactics: At least one of me or Meiz is going to be well up on the swinging block based on today. Standard tactics seem to be to have at least 2 close votes each day, hence whoever you choose as person A (and I admit the case against me is pretty bad right now) please choose the second person on the basis of person A being innocent, because I really am!
If you chose both people based on the same logic you are risking it being faulty and having both innocent
I try to translate that: "I am a wolf and all villagers probably want to vote for me. But I feel that we really should nominate a villager as well. And don't despair, my brethren will take care of that - perfectly concealed because it was my idea. And some of you villagers please vote for the other one - we will present at least as much evidence as against Rowain - so that we lynch him instead of me".
And what do you know - shortly after 2 players show up with "I've seen something on Day 1, now we can hit a werewolf". Yeah, guess what, vote for Jkaen, hit the obvious werewolf instead of going AGAIN for a villager...
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What really irks me about JKaen's posts is the way he never ends the final sentence with a proper punctuation mark. 
Seems like a clear wolf indicator to me
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Anyway, in case Zakofonix should turn up dead in the morning, here are his less-than-clear-cut thoughts on the matter:
The herbalist is stirring the pot.
The bard proclaims: to be! or maybe not?
He makes such tasty "cinnamon" buns!
On the other hand: I am running out of puns...
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zakalwe Wrote:What really irks me about JKaen's posts is the way he never ends the final sentence with a proper punctuation mark.
Seems like a clear wolf indicator to me
@Serdoa
Look, just because I am wrong often doesn't mean I should stop playing. Maybe people will see that list and decide it makes it less likely they are wolves, maybe they thing its time I got one right. Either way I cant see what harm providing the village information can do.
As for the tactics, I get the impression alot of the village do believe I am just a rubbish villager, seems Rowain even thought that too just as he was getting strung up. But even if you were right and I was a wolf, that still means there are 2 others you need to find, why not try and track them down at the same time as killing me?
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Jkaen, the issue is that if you are a wolf (what I believe) then your information is poisoned. If you are a villager, then you should think about what Rowain asked of you and Meiz: Not starting with accusations and votings on Day1 but instead giving others time to make up there mind without influencing them.
But you can't do that, can you? Because the more time you wait before you throw them out, the less cover for your comrades. And also a much higher chance that we nominate again two people and both of them being wolves.
As for your "tactic": Besides what I wrote above already, your "tactic" also has nothing to do with tracking the wolves down. Your "tactic" was basically stating "Hey, vote for someone else then me.". Thats not a tactic to catch wolves, only one to keep you alive. I don't mind that you try that, but don't try to paint yourself as oh so helpful to the village, because you are not.
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Serdoa Wrote:you should think about what Rowain asked of you and Meiz: Not starting with accusations and votings on Day1 but instead giving others time to make up there mind without influencing them. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not going to shut up just because Rowain said so. I have not forced anyone to vote, and I'm not going to do that on the following day either. You can ignore me if you like, or you can disagree with me, or agree (not that wise maybe? ).
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Serdoa, one of me or Meiz is going to hang tomorrow, probably me. There is pretty much no defense I can put up now which will sway people, so assuming I do hang wouldn't you like to learn as much as possible from that?
If we put up somebody else, and I get saved at the last moment by a large switch onto what turns out to be a villager, then surely that pinpoints the remaining wolves for you?
If the entire village votes for me, then what do you learn?
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Meiz, you worked yesterday hard on disagreeing with Rowain, painting him as a wolf without evidence. You did not try to discuss with him, you just tried to aggravate him. I didn't like it yesterday because it did not feel like you have a heated dispute (like I had it with Roland) but rather that you just try to set him up so he would hopefully don't defend himself as good as he normally would be able too. And I am sure that you won't shut up today but instead try to go on with that style, hoping that the villagers fall again for it.
Really, I cannot be 100% sure on neither you nor Jkaen being wolves, but I can be sure that even if you are villagers, you are not helping us - you are not even trying too. And that is something I cannot understand if you would be villagers. You should at least be a little bit dissatisfied with what happened yesterday but I don't get the feeling you are. Rather that you compliment yourself on a job good done.
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Jkaen Wrote:Serdoa, one of me or Meiz is going to hang tomorrow, probably me. There is pretty much no defense I can put up now which will sway people, so assuming I do hang wouldn't you like to learn as much as possible from that?
If we put up somebody else, and I get saved at the last moment by a large switch onto what turns out to be a villager, then surely that pinpoints the remaining wolves for you?
If the entire village votes for me, then what do you learn?
If we have a sudden switch at the end, it can as well be villagers which got swayed by others. We had that happen several days now and I myself was prone to it. We are 10 players, keeping it close means 5vs5 - saving you in that situation would only need one villager switching. Thats not much and if I look at the voting records provided by Roland (thanks for that btw, even that I rather like them in Excel) it can easily happen. Now from your post I understand that you feel that would tell us much - probably enough for you to go for exactly the one who switched which accidently then will be a villager and we lose.
So, your whole scenario with a big switch won't happen if we go by your scenario of keeping it close. And that means it won't tell us anything anyway.
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Serdoa Wrote:Meiz, you worked yesterday hard on disagreeing with Rowain, painting him as a wolf without evidence. You did not try to discuss with him, you just tried to aggravate him. I didn't like it yesterday because it did not feel like you have a heated dispute (like I had it with Roland) but rather that you just try to set him up so he would hopefully don't defend himself as good as he normally would be able too. And I am sure that you won't shut up today but instead try to go on with that style, hoping that the villagers fall again for it.
I agree that some of my posts were not really helping, but IMO Rowain was the most wolf-like villager ever. You say there was no evidence, but to me there were so many things that cumulated together, that I was 95% sure of him being a wolf. (I'm still kind of waiting for Sareln to drop in and tell us that it was just a joke, Rowain was a wolf after all ). And I was not the only one suspecting him, and I doubt others did that just because of me.
I pushed so hard against him, because I thought that after he is revealed as a wolf, I would take a big leap towards trusted villager status. Look how that turned out 
I have no plans to start another crusade ever again. I will vote whoever Ichabod votes, so you don't have to doubt if I'm trying to get a villager lynched by purpose.
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