WW11 - Civilization

[uberfish]

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Lewwyn (3) - Cyneheard Rowain Tasunke
Catwalk (2) - Sareln Selrahc
Ichabod (2) - Jkaen Novice
Novice (2) - Gaspar Mardoc
Rowain (2) - Scooter Slowcheetah
Cyneheard (1) - Meiz
Jkaen (1) - Catwalk
Scooter (1) - Lewwyn
Tasunke (1) - MJW

Not voting - Ichabod Zakalwe

[Tasunke]

Cyneheard

[MJW (ya that one)]

Cyneheard

I don't have feelings on anyone else other that Tasunke and he could be voting cyneheard for cover//post count. I'll just dump my vote on him until he says something or everyone switches off.

My only real comment is that I would be hard to lych on the first day. So cyneheard could have switched off considering that. Also he switched off when hardly anyone else was voting me. He moved on after the voting spree.

Spilting the vote like this does not feel like a good idea...

[Tasunke]

I want to be, but I'm not completely sold on the Cyneheard vote. Can you explain why you are pretty dead set on him being a wolf?

I have a feeling that MJW and Novice are villagers, so it is probably best to ally with one of these two ... however I also have a feeling that Lewwyn is a wolf.

So while I would like to ally with you, I am also tempted to re-vote Lewwyn again. But I will keep my vote on Cyneheard for a while to see if it gains any further traction than 3 votes.

That and lewwyn doesn't have the time to sit through role play posts ... >.>

[MJW (ya that one)]

There are many weak players--something silly has to bump cyneheard to the top. That something is that he agrued 3-hours into the game that 9 players have not posted at all. This is so silly that I think he is lying about his agruement.

Originally Posted by MJW (ya that one)
Another reason I don't like cyneheard is that his post pointing out that 9 people have not done anything was very half-assed. As a former wolf I know that wolfs hurry to post something as quickly as possible; even if it something silly. The reason why 9 people did not post is that this game took forever to get started thanks to uberfish.


Originally Posted by Meiz
That's what made me vote for him as well (if it was unclear). Pointing out a list of players who have not posted, less than three hours after the game has started is odd. Seemed like he just needed to fill more content to his post by force.

[Tasunke]

color me convinced.

For now, I will plan on keeping my vote on Cyneheard (for the foreseeable future)

[Rowain]

Call me convinced of your villagerishness(?) for now Lewwyn

Mardoc

[Catwalk]

I think voting for someone who is either quiet or blending in is generally the best day 1 choice. These 4 players match that best IMO:

Mardoc 7: Mostly fluff
Jkaen 6: Quiet as a general strategy
slowcheetah 2: Inactive newbie
Sareln 1: Completely inactive

Rowain, Ichabod and Meiz have also made less than 7 posts but have generally contributed more in those. Of the above 4, Mardoc looks most likely to hang. He's also the one who's contributed the most out of them, though. Jkaen has posted very little, and stated that it's his strategy. Sareln and slowcheetah have been invisible. I'm strongly tempted to vote for slowcheetah, as his inactivity surprises me. I hesitate because he's been an excellent team mate in PBEM29g and I don't like hanging newbies on day 1, but I'm highly suspicious of him. Sareln has been inactive before. I'll stick with Jkaen for now, his post explaining his lack of posts seemed a little too calculated. And it's the perfect wolf cover, simply stating that he'd rather take a step back and let others expose themselves. The other 3 are top on my suspect list, in addition to Lewwyn who should probably be left alone at this time or he'll freak out again. I wonder if he'll freak out at scooter who basically said the same thing as me earlier :neenernee

Generally I find it more useful to watch on day 1 than comment unless I think I see something obvious.

For example if I have spotted a very minor thing I am confident I couldn't sway others to vote on, I have the option of either drawing it to attention and having the person rectify the behavoiur, or keeping my mouth shut for another day and having more posts to draw a conclusion over before bringing it to the group.

History suggests based on my performance as a 'normal' and a power role that I can spot people acting oddly well, hence use a power role, but struggle to put the suspicions across well or label them properly, hence my pretty rubbish voting record.

I don't think Cyneheard is a NAP member. He was over eager in the last game as well, I think he either made the mistake deliberately as a double psychology bluff or simply got carried away without realizing that he'd worded himself very poorly. Feel free to persecute me if he turns up NAP, but I saw his post more as a misguided attempt at pressuring everybody to contribute rather than wanting to point fingers of suspicion. It looks exactly like his play last game, and I highly doubt it's an intentional bluff. If he's a NAP member, I think he'd have been coached better on not doing it in the first place and defending himself better after he messed up.

[Mardoc]

Call me convinced of your villagerishness(?) for now Lewwyn

Mardoc

My turn to convince you? Only there's the minor issue that I don't know how. I could...present insightful targetting analysis, like the 'Mardoc's fears' analysis in WW3 .

Or I could get mad about having more time to spend with my PBEMs, if you decide to lynch a weak villager. But I'm not sure that would hurt the village, really, except in the sense of a wasted day. I thought my extensive lurking might give me hints as to what to look for, but it's not helping so far. None of my gambits are working, probably because people know better than to follow my lead

I suppose I'll just keep talking; in WW3 that eventually convinced people I was innocent (although I don't know why, exactly), and it's better to be eaten than hanged. I'm to the point of being afraid to survive to the end and experience deja vu, though.

[slowcheetah]

Ok, looking through the thread a couple of things sprung out at me:

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Then there is Catwalk, and I'm totally agreeing with Selrahc's comments regarding him. I find it odd that you had to underline the difference in your play style by yourself. Better to do it quickly before anyone else points a finger at it?

Based on everyone's descriptions of Catwalk as an erratic player with lots of crazy ideas in previous WW games (and knowing about how many ideas he comes up ith from 29g), I think this argument doesn't carry a lot of weight if Catwalk is a werewolf.

Firstly, he did underline it himself almost immediately, it wasn't an accident and noone prompted him beforehand.

If he was playing a wolf why would he change his behaviour? His previously erratic gameplay has reportedly been damaging for the village and it fits in with his previous patterns; thus arousing less suspiscion.

If he was playing as a villager then he may wish to change his pattern so as not to damage the villages chances.


Tasunke-

Has had quite a few posts, none of which added up to very much at all. Most of them have been one word accusations, and even his latest has no real arguments, just 'feelings'. Sure it could be that he is new to the game, but maybe he is just coasting along playing that card, hoping to be in the middle of the pack for posts.

Finally, Zakalwe
Based on what has been said in this thread he was a fearsome werewolf hunter in previous games. In his previous games was he always this cryptic? It seems to me that a great way to misdirect the village would be to write down difficult to understand opinions (Toxic scorpion???) and hope everybody searches too hard for hidden meanings.

Conclusion of this, I think Catwalk reads innocent, Tasunke- possibly suspicious and Zakalwe pretty suspicious.
As far as everyone else goes, I don't have a thorough read or much to add to previously stated arguments.


Finally, addressing scooters concern on my lack of posting:
I'm new to the game and relatively new to the forums, I didn't want to take the lead and didn't have much of a read on people earlier. I didn't really want to cause too much damage and lead people off on complete tangents due to an inaccurate reading of the situation. I also seem to have the 'newbie out of jail free card' so I felt relatively safe not posting very much and having my vote be for a purely RP random reason (Rowain for different religion).