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Mardoc Wrote:You raise a good point here that at least one is innocent, but I think it's even stronger and they're both innocent. The day was so close, why would the wolves want any voters on Selrahc they didn't need? At the very least, if they're both wolves, then they killed Selrahc for cover, since if they'd voted elsewhere he wouldn't have died. But why do it in such an obvious fashion?
Selrahc had 5 votes when Brundaine voted him, and 6 when GES voted right after. I think it's likely they saw him as lost cause and wanted to gain cover.
On the other hand, scooter switched for Selrahc when he was clearly going to fall...
Mardoc Wrote:I have the utmost respect for your skills, Meiz. If novice hadn't been able to prove Roland a mason from after death, I'd have easily been convinced you were the second mason. Frankly, I think you're too good at this to be a consistently wrong as you've turned out to be without being on the other side.
Hah, clearly you haven't lurked WW2  . I would take this as a compliment if I really was a wolf 
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Meiz Wrote:Day 2:
9v: Selrahc ( Ichabod, uberfish, Irgy, Bruindane, Gold ergo sum, scooter, Roland, novice, sandover )
6v: Rowain (Pocketbeetle, Meiz, Selrahc, zakalwe, Serdoa, JKaen )
5v: Pocketbeetle ( Rowain, Lewwyn, Mardoc, Fire & Ice, Cull )
1v: novice ( Mr Nice Guy )
If GES and Scooter would be wolves, it would mean that there were three wolves voting against Selrahc in a row. It's possible, but I have my doubts. This puts me little away from suspecting both GES and scooter (I think one of them probably is a wolf). I think it's likely that both Rowain and PB had wolf voters.
Mardoc Wrote:You raise a good point here that at least one is innocent, but I think it's even stronger and they're both innocent. The day was so close, why would the wolves want any voters on Selrahc they didn't need? At the very least, if they're both wolves, then they killed Selrahc for cover, since if they'd voted elsewhere he wouldn't have died. But why do it in such an obvious fashion?
I don't get what you want to say here exactly Mardoc. What obvious fashion do you mean? If we would not be at this point in the game with exactly those people lynched and killed it might not be as obvious that only 2 voters are left on the Selrahc lynch.
I would rather ask why the wolves are killing all people who voted for Selrahc? If I see it right, they have since that voting only killed villagers which voted for Selrahc in the night. I am not sure I know for what reason, but I am sure that there has to be a reason. Just fishing for the Baner? I don't believe that to be honest, not with the targets they have chosen first. So, lets assume for now that this is not the reason, what is it then? Simply coincidence because those are also players we mostly thought innocent anyway? I really have no clue what it can be, but I think it would be good for us to try and find it out.
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Serdoa Wrote:So, lets assume for now that this is not the reason, what is it then? Simply coincidence because those are also players we mostly thought innocent anyway? I really have no clue what it can be, but I think it would be good for us to try and find it out.
Well, you could easily say that killed people (or almost killed, as in Ichabod's case) are clearly the best WW players. I think that is the reason, and I'm still wondering why scooter is still alive
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Serdoa Wrote:I don't get what you want to say here exactly Mardoc. What obvious fashion do you mean? If we would not be at this point in the game with exactly those people lynched and killed it might not be as obvious that only 2 voters are left on the Selrahc lynch.
Hmm, you might be right. I guess what I meant is all together, one right after the next. I could imagine wolves voting for Selrahc, but not all signing on at the same time to vote the same person, and draw a link between themselves that way.
Serdoa Wrote:I would rather ask why the wolves are killing all people who voted for Selrahc? If I see it right, they have since that voting only killed villagers which voted for Selrahc in the night. I am not sure I know for what reason, but I am sure that there has to be a reason. Just fishing for the Baner? I don't believe that to be honest, not with the targets they have chosen first. So, lets assume for now that this is not the reason, what is it then? Simply coincidence because those are also players we mostly thought innocent anyway? I really have no clue what it can be, but I think it would be good for us to try and find it out.
Honestly, I think it's not coincidence that those are the players we tended to think were innocent. The Selrahc voters, by virtue of that vote, have a much easier time defending themselves against a lynch. Really it's the only time this game when we flat out know a vote to be correct. Plus, well, the Selrahc voters have demonstrated better judgment than us non-Selrahc voters. That makes them more dangerous to the wolves.
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Lewwyn Wrote:You're not really paying attention to the fact that my argument is that Roland's case IS circumstantial and based on his emotions.
Is it OK if I call bullshit on this now?
If you really can look at the arguments I've laid out against you Lewwyn and claim them as emotional instead of logical, YOU are making this personal - not me - and you have no business being around any longer. That's the plain truth.
I'm willing to lynch Gold Ergo Sum, if only because he's been nagging at the back of my mind all game long, but your arguments against him Lewwyn are trash. The comparison of your circumstantial evidence against mine is equivalent to comparing a Lexus to a Pinto: yes, they're both cars, but they're not even remotely on the same playing field.
Do whatever you want Lewwyn. Serdoa has it right - you're lynching yourself at this point. I don't doubt that there's at least one 'Wolf on you. I'd wager both are on you. Maybe scooter is that 'Wolf defending you (another 'Wolf) that you mentioned. Who knows? Who knows anything at this point? I put my arguments out. I stand behind them, regardless of who I choose to lynch ultimately. I'm convinced one iota by anything you've said, but I will reiterate this: it's not personal; not on my end.
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Lewwyn Wrote:This is the first time someone votes for GES. MNG votes for him. MNG is a villager. Why has no one voted for him before. This is probably the most important point: why haven't the wolves use GES as a red Herring before? Why has no wolf ever said we should lynch GES. Or said GES is suspicious? If he were a villager the wolves could easily, easily use him to divert attention. I believe the reason he has been left alone this long is because the wolves don't want to attract attention to him. Its easy for him to stay under the radar. Its easy for him to explain everything away because he's been explaining it away the entire game!
The wolves didn't have the time to throw suspicions on GES. They were too busy throwing them at MNG and Fire&Ice, the two other guys with few posts.
Add to the fact that GES voted Selrahc, so not a lot of villagers wanted to lynch him (everybody had other targets) and you have a reason why he received so few votes. It's the same thing that happened to me during the game...
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I agree with you partly Meiz. I think that it is the reason why I am still alive - I simply suck at this game. Anyway, do you think that it is the only reason? I don't feel so. Several players don't make themselves good kill-targets (GES, Jkaen, myself maybe, Meiz) because they are suspected anyway, so better to let them live. But there is one thing I don't understand:
scooter: I think I remember that someone sometimes said that it seems that the wolves go for all the ex-wolves from WW2 with their night kills. Somebody remembers that as well and knows who it was? Because it is true, they did go for Sandover, uberfish, Irgy - and the next one should have been scooter, but instead they switched to Ichabod and then novice. Why? I don't believe something like "they wanted to paint him as a target".
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I really am laughing at you right now Roland. I can't wait to see you drive this village into the ground again. You are a disaster. And you can call this personal because now you are making it personal and I can not wait to laugh at you when I am lynched your pathetic mewling about how sorry you are starts.
It is personal now Roland. You have no argument against me. Your argument against me is as trash as mine is. You've deluded yourself to think its not personal. Well it is and you've made it personal. Congratulations, you hypocritical numbskull.
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Sareln, by my watch its been 24 hours and 5 minutes. I accept an auto-lynch if everyone else is agreeable because Roland will never change his mind and as a mason Mayor, these sheep will follow him plus he will break any ties against me.
Everyone agreed?
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Serdoa Wrote:scooter: I think I remember that someone sometimes said that it seems that the wolves go for all the ex-wolves from WW2 with their night kills. Somebody remembers that as well and knows who it was? Because it is true, they did go for Sandover, uberfish, Irgy - and the next one should have been scooter, but instead they switched to Ichabod and then novice. Why? I don't believe something like "they wanted to paint him as a target".
Whoever the wolves are - I seriously doubt that their agenda this game has been to kill the ex-wolves from WW2. That makes no sense at all honestly.
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