Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[zakalwe]

If I were to vote for someone else today, I would prefer JKaen or Mardoc. I suspect them independently of Lewwyn's role. If the aim is to come up with alternative lynch candidates, naming a second suspect that is heavily predicated on the first suspect being a wolf isn't very useful.

[Ichabod]

For me it's:

Villagers: Roland, Ichabod

Very Likely to be villagers: Mardoc, GES

Likely to be Villagers: Serdoa, JKaen

Seems Guilty: Zakalwe, Scooter, Meiz

Almost sure Guilty: Lewwyn


I thought for most of the game that Lewwyn couldn't be a wolf. I thought he was for sure a villager with a inflated ego. What changed is the Bruindane vote on day 3. I'm still not sure about it, but it's one of the few bits of evidence that we got.

I'll probably read that part of the day once more to see if I can catch something new, but I don't see why a werewolf would put himself in such an evident position as Bruindane did, if it wasn't to save a fellow wolf.

[Serdoa]

Roland, I got that wrong then sorry. Of course I am voting for Lewwyn now, so as an alternative 2nd vote I can't have him up as well (no, I am not THAT sure about his guilt). So, that should be Meiz and after him then Jkaen / zakalwe.

Pretty much if Lewwyn is not a wolf I would strongly vote and work on getting Jkaen lynched. If Lewwyn is a wolf I would go for Meiz.

Though I also try to get a clearer picture right now and sort some stuff which does not make sense for me right now (scooter being still alive as explained earlier).

[Roland]

Just for the record, my final suspect list is:

GES
Jkaen
Serdoa

It was hard to settle on the final 3 and who knows if I'm right or not. I'm just posting it now so we can see how my pinto does when we cross the finish line. I still want to win but I fear Roland makes that impossible. I admit that perhaps my reaction to his statements may have put his back up now so that maybe I'm lynching myself, and I'm sorry to the rest of the villagers, but at this point it will be so sweet to see Roland cry. His pomposity at this point is insufferable and if you follow him into the dark, well, its your funeral. This is why I lynched him in WW2. You can't work with the man.

My only hope for the village is that after I am lynched you do not follow the "Puppet Master" here.

In the immortal words of our deceased Mason:

Oh and Lewwyn: If you think you played well in WW2 that says it all about your judgement.

I honestly don't know what you expect from me, Lewwyn. You come across as frothing at the mouth, and yet you claim with fervent vehemence that I'm the one taking this personally. If I lynch you and you do turn up a Villager, suddenly I've doomed the game for the entire Village. You're doing your absolute best to pin the success or failure of this game on me, while you've lynched 4 Villagers and didn't vote to lynch the only 'Wolf we succeeded in killing. Now you're bordering on personal attacks, framing your every post in such a way that no matter the outcome I look like the bad guy, while never taking responsibility for your own actions. You talk it up as though you've done everything right this whole game, consequences be damned - the same attitude you had about last game. All you're doing is pinning the entire blame for your demise on me, and extending that to hang the entire Village's demise on my shoulders.

The resemblance to last game where you pushed to get me lynched - despite the fact that I was innocent - is uncanny, doubly so the way you paint the portrait so that no matter the outcome you can feel justified. The only differences are 1) you're on the block instead of me, and 2) I'm not making a gigantic push to lynch you. I've presented my case as I see it, and openly asked others for their opinions, so as to root out all the holes and find anything (or anyone) I may have overlooked.

I've left you options to get out of this, and so far you've barely even glanced at them. I don't get the feeling you're even taking your defense seriously so much as trying to attack me enough that I'll back down, but honestly I'm indifferent at this point. I mean, here you are on the block for the second time, and still you throw up a list that includes probably 1 'Wolf, and probably 2 Villagers. The only one out of that list I, and I think most others, would consider voting for is Jkaen - but you don't even try to make a case against him. You suspect Gold Ergo Sum because he's too quiet, Serdoa because he's disagreed with you for almost the entire game, and Jkaen because... why? Where's the rest of your evidence, or are we supposed to simply drop everything that points to you being a 'Wolf and go on some wild goose chase just because you demand it? Put yourself in our shoes for a minute. Look at what you're saying and doing from an outside perspective and tell me - tell us - how it looks. You say you're only doing what you think is right - what you've been doing all along. Since that hasn't been working out so well for you thus far, maybe it's time you took a step back to reevaluate things?

[Serdoa]

One thing I would like to mention here: If we lose as a village, then I don't have an issue with that as long as we have lost standing together and being wrong. From my point of view and from what I know as of now, there is no one specially to blame for anything. Everyone had his share and if we look how many votes for villagers everyone had, it is pretty clear that we did not do the best job - or maybe we did and the wolves simply outplayed us.

Anyway, I feel the same as you do Roland, being that Lewwyn tries to get you to back out on an emotional level instead of for any defence or counter-evidence presented. And that makes me believe even more that he is a wolf.

If he is not, then I won't blame you for that and I believe all other villagers won't as well. I have looked at what you presented, I have looked at my own data and I come to the same conclusion: High possibility that Lewwyn is a wolf. At least with what we now and how he defends himself.

[Roland]

One thing I would like to mention here: If we lose as a village, then I don't have an issue with that as long as we have lost standing together and being wrong. From my point of view and from what I know as of now, there is no one specially to blame for anything. Everyone had his share and if we look how many votes for villagers everyone had, it is pretty clear that we did not do the best job - or maybe we did and the wolves simply outplayed us.

Agreed. I don't think we've played a particularly strong game, in all honesty, but I don't blame anyone. I don't think we'll know how well the 'Wolves played until we know who they all are, but looking back I feel we've definitely made some errors in judgment along the way. It's been a fun ride regardless though, and win or lose at least I have that.

Anyway, I feel the same as you do Roland, being that Lewwyn tries to get you to back out on an emotional level instead of for any defence or counter-evidence presented. And that makes me believe even more that he is a wolf.

I'll be honest: it's more puzzling than frustrating. It's just odd. I don't know what to make of it, and I'm not even really thinking about it at this point. I've said my feelings on the matter, and unless something drastic changes I really don't have anything to add. I didn't set out to kill anyone, I've held no ill will from prior circumstances, I've just tried to do the best I can. In organizing the voting data lots of little things started popping out, things I missed before (or couldn't see, because there were too many possibilities), and so I tried my best to organize those and present them. Apparently it looks good enough on paper for the majority of the Village (not just the 'Wolves), so if we do end up losing at least I'll know it was in good company. Like you, I'd rather fail standing shoulder-to-shoulder than win all alone. I'm not out to boss anyone around or try to swing huge voting blocs. I just wanted to get my ideas out in the open, and see what others thought. I set out from the start to try to be as helpful as I could, and I'm proud of what I've accomplished - and humbled by my shortcomings.

If he is not, then I won't blame you for that and I believe all other villagers won't as well. I have looked at what you presented, I have looked at my own data and I come to the same conclusion: High possibility that Lewwyn is a wolf. At least with what we now and how he defends himself.

I'm really not that worried about what anyone else thinks. If they feel it necessary to label me as the one responsible for the outcome that's their prerogative. I don't really care about such things. I know what I'm responsible for, and by how much. I got lucky with Selrahc, but missed the mark with Rowain, pocketbeetle, and fire&ice - to varying degrees. So it goes. It's a game, it's not the end of the world, and I find myself in good company here in the end (although we've lost a great number of good people along the way, on both sides). I'm not about to let anything ruin my enjoyment of the game, nor deter me from doing my best to win this. I set out to play better than I did last game, and I think in almost all respects I've done so. That's a personal victory for me, independent of whether we win the actual game, and that's the one that matters more to me. I'd love to be able to turn this around and win (as a team - not me personally), but I'm not losing any sleep over this game, and I'm not going to sweat it if we don't win. I think we all put forth an honest effort, and deserve credit for that much - even if our lynching record is a tad doleful.

At any rate, I won't be around tomorrow to get the final results. I'm going to be gone most of the day, so I think I'm just going to stick with my current vote. I was trying to gather some data to see if the Village, as a whole, would feel more comfortable moving onto a secondary target (and it does seem as though there's a fair enough consensus to satisfy almost everyone), but not everyone has truly checked in with that. Besides, I don't know what we'd necessarily gain by moving the target around, and Lewwyn didn't seem particularly eager to take me up on the implied offer of an exit. In any case, I'm comfortable with the evidence presented by everyone, and barring any drastic revelations tomorrow I'd say we have a decent roadmap hashed out for the coming days. It's proven an interesting exercise regardless, and I'm happy to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject - of Lewwyn, and others - both for and against. I'll try to check in during the morning before I head out, but I can't make any promises - going to be an early day. I hope we've chosen right, but as I said I'm not going to let it bother me too greatly, and it's not like I forced people's hands nor begged them for favors. We're a team, and we'll win or lose together. That's what counts most, I feel.

[Ichabod]

You are a nice guy, Roland. I really hope Lewwyn is a wolf, because it is the only valid reasoning for the things he said against you.

The bruindane day 3 switch is the only concrete evidence we have so far, so I'm really cautious about naming any other suspect besides Lewwyn.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

One thing I would like to mention here: If we lose as a village, then I don't have an issue with that as long as we have lost standing together and being wrong. From my point of view and from what I know as of now, there is no one specially to blame for anything. Everyone had his share and if we look how many votes for villagers everyone had, it is pretty clear that we did not do the best job - or maybe we did and the wolves simply outplayed us.

No PM seems to be hard, but I don't have anything to compare it to. Obviously, losing the seer on Day 1 was terrible luck. I am really not sure how much better we could've done. Given the settings, as soon as Bob died, we were probably underdogs.

I don't have much to add since this morning. But this thing isn't over yet, even if we're wrong about Lewwyn. One baner save and we get an extra day.

In case it wasn't obvious from my previous posts: Jkaen.

[scooter]

I would say Meiz is definitely my top choice after GES.

[scooter]

I would say Meiz is definitely my top choice after GES.

Make that Meiz