Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[Lewwyn]

Look at things from my point of view. I am a villager. I wake up in the morning to see 7 pages of people voting for me and suspecting me. There are already 6 votes on me and you've all continued to pile more and more circumstantial evidence to back each other up and make yourselves feel god about lynching me. That's cool I understand that.

What I really found humorous was that this was all set off by Roland's vote the minute he was confirmed mason. He didn't lead with his case against me, he just put it out there and other people began trying to fit the case together.

Now I ask you what is the crux of the case? Day 3 vote by Bruindane from one villager to another that "saved" me. As Ichabod has just stated, its you're only "concrete" evidence. Problem is it's not concrete. What you have is a wolf switching his vote around just like all the other players in this game. It just so happens that his vote is to lynch someone opposite me on the block.

I have no control over this. What else can I say? I have no idea what Bruindane was thinking. I have no other insight into his thought process. Again, from my point of view as a villager, I see no way to "concretely" refute this. So congrats on the stellar case there. I'll admit we've lynched people for less. I"VE lynched people for less.

So what recourse do I have? I have A) the emotional defense and B) point out someone more suspicious defense. I tried both. Obviously the emotional defense only works against someone emotionally involved. Who is the most emotional villager? Who is also trusted and has people following him? Roland. I tried to shake him up. I remember from when we were lynching Meiz he wavered because of Meiz emotional defense. Of course I didn't emulate it the same way but I made an attempt in my style. And to some degree it seems to have both worked and not worked:

I'll be honest: it's more puzzling than frustrating. It's just odd. I don't know what to make of it, and I'm not even really thinking about it at this point.

It's great if it puzzles you because then maybe you'll actually think about another target. But bad that you decide to just tune it out. Let me point out the next thing that is bothering me:

Besides, I don't know what we'd necessarily gain by moving the target around, and Lewwyn didn't seem particularly eager to take me up on the implied offer of an exit.

Really? You'd gain not lynching me, a villager. You gain NOT LOSING. As for all your talk of exits it was my impression that the out you were giving me was convince you of someone else's guilt. I'm attempting to do that with GES. But its a little hard to get some higher than 100% suspect which is what you've stated is your level of suspicion against me. What am I supposed to do? Where is this "implied" out? Posting a vote in Lime? I only just got back to the game so I didn't really have time to post a vote in lime other than that late night post at which point I didn't think to put a lime name in. I mean Jesus Roland, you want me to raise Bob from the dead and have him proclaim me innocent? Because beyond lynching me I don't think there's any other way to convince you.

This is my frustration. The people who say I am lynching myself. Well I see no other options than to go as hard as possible at any weak point I see. Trying to play off emotional Roland who has in the past switched off the people he suspected most, (ie: Sandover WW2).

So here Roland I suspect Jkaen next after GES. You still want to try? I'm villager that's all there is to it.

[Roland]

Alright, not to seem like I'm wavering here (because I'm not) but does anyone believe in Lewwyn's innocence? Anyone at all? Does anyone think he should be spared in favor of someone else (from the general consensus it'd be looking like either Meiz or Jkaen)? I personally don't see any harm in keeping him alive one more day, unless of course he's the Void Wolf (which, ironically, would explain how hard he's fighting being lynched; of course, that can equally be explained by him being a Villager, as he claims). Honestly, I'm not 100% sure on anyone at this point in the game, but Lewwyn was the one I was most sure of. After reading everyone else's input, I could swing towards a few different people - too many guilty looking people with not enough chances to screw up, unfortunately.

I'm still leaning heavily towards my initial list of Lewwyn, Meiz, and scooter, but I'll admit Jkaen makes an attractive target. I'm not sure what to make of the scooter / Meiz dichotomy, nor the Jkaen / Meiz one, to say nothing of a scooter / Meiz / Jkaen 3-way. :neenernee It seems like Meiz is just barely our 2nd best consensus, followed by Jkaen, and I'd be surprised if one of those is not a 'Wolf - and thus those leaning towards one or another are also 'Wolves, but that's a risky bet. Still, I'm fairly open about our prospects. I'm not sold on Gold Ergo Sum, Serdoa, zakalwe nor Mardoc, and barring any huge revelations I don't see that changing for me. Even if Lewwyn is a Villager, I don't buy his Gold Ergo Sum bit, nore any of his other targets except possibly Jkaen. I honestly don't know what to think anymore, who to believe, whatever. There's so much suspicion spread around it's just a Werewolves' playground, and we're caught in the middle of it, so pardon me if I don't seem overly eager about moving forward.

Basically, my goal at this point is to try and keep some semblance of order and consensus, and drag as much information out into the open. The one thing hampering me, in my mind, is not knowing who's a 'Wolf taking advantage of the chaos to point fingers (and whether they point fingers at a 'Wolf or a Villager is a subset question), and who's just a Villager giving their honest opinions. I know - that's the game, but it's frustrating knowing full well you're being played, and just not quite knowing how or by whom. It's there, right in front of me. I just can't quite figure it out, and it's bugging me to no end.

At any rate, I intend to check in early tomorrow morning. If the Village would prefer to shift to a secondary target I won't object - it's not like we can't come back later. Today hasn't led to nearly as much discussion as I had hoped, and even yesterday didn't illuminate as much as I was expecting - although maybe that's a byproduct of having so few numbers. I do find it odd to see the likes of scooter and zakalwe being as quiet as they are, but I'm not going to read too much into any of that right now. I know damn well we've fingered at least one 'Wolf, if not two. The trick will be getting them down first, before we hit a Villager. Believe me, I appreciate everyone's input that they've given since novice's death - every bit has been useful, even if some of us are still sorting out how to put it to best use. I still feel like I should see Lewwyn through to the end, and part of it is out of respect for him, but again - I'm not married to the idea, and my eyes are as open as they can be to someone better. I'd probably go for Meiz as my secondary at this point, since he seems to have the most suspicion and consensus, and he seems to be the linchpin between scooter / Meiz / Jkaen. Again, though, I'm not trying to back out on Lewwyn. I'm just keeping my options open.

It's late, I'm tired, and I don't know that I can contribute anything better at the moment (it's debatable whether anything I wrote above is even coherent, given that I'm practically falling asleep sitting here), so I'm going to end this now. I just wanted to say that Lewwyn's last post here is probably the first honest glimpse into him that I've seen since this fiasco, so whatever the result ends up being it looks like he's calming down enough to let that show through. The only question we all have to ask ourselves is: is it because he's a 'Wolf, or a Villager. Bruindane is the most damning piece of evidence we have, but it's also far from concrete: remember that Selrahc went against... was it Rowain? instead of pocketbeetle? when he was on the block. From all accounts it looks like he could have done a better job trying to save himself had he voted the other way, and that argument was used against Rowain (I believe) - much to our disappointment to find he was a Villager. It is entirely possible Bruindane was just sewing confusion. That's why I presented all my thoughts on Lewwyn. For some reason I can't get the idea out of my head that we had zero 'Wolves on the block on Day 1, but on the other hand I get get the idea out of my head that Lewwyn is playing the "active 'Wolf" he was so confident he could pull off. So, it really is a 50/50 shot with me - toss a coin. I think dragging Lewwyn into the spotlight has equally dragged the other 'Wolves out, too - hence the secondary voting tally - but, again, I'm not sure I want to risk it right now. I leave it up to the rest of you.

Lewwyn, it's your pride that's been your downfall in this game, more than anything else. Try to keep that in mind for the future. If you do end up a Villager, I'll be disappointed, but far from heartbroken - I didn't make this decision, I just presented the option. Everyone, 'Wolves and Villagers, jumped on it for various reasons. Don't take it personal, don't make it personal, because we're really well past that by now. It's the endgame, and all we have left are risks to take. We can second guess ourselves all Day long - we've done it either too much or not enough prior - but decisions have to be made, and consequences dealt with, good or bad. Such is life, such is this game. Whatever happens, take care and be well. Oh, and stop pissing your wife off.

Goodnight everyone.

[Lewwyn]

I'm not so sure about my pride being my downfall. I'll freely admit that I am prideful, but I don't know if its really effected my play... I'm not playing any different than last game. Last game nobody really put me on the block hard so nobody got to see how I would have reacted. Thing is, you have a baseline for me from last game and I've pretty much stayed true to it. I'll probably stay true to it in future games too. I mean if I start going all quiet in the next game I play (probably not the one after this lol) you will find that suspicious no?

I like to think that with as much drama as I may have brought to the game I've also brought some levity. I'm competitive I want to win, but not at the expense of having fun. I can honestly say WW3 has been enjoyable for me thus far and I expect to make the most of the time I have left.

A note on GES. His pattern is too perfect. That's what irks me. If you look through his posts there is one about every 5 pages. They are evenly spaced. Most are under the radar, don't mind me posts and some are, "Hey look I'm still contributing" posts. I believe his pattern mimics Illios's when he was the Devil in WW1. I think that not only might GES be a wolf, but I also think he may be the void wolf. That's just the vibe I get.

Roland you said GES was nagging at you but then because I shot off my vote at the beginning of the Day so quickly you decided to dismiss him as a suspect because you though that made him seem more innocent. You have got to stop trying to fix patterns together and have got to see who was "cooperating" with whom. The whole Scooter and me being wolves together thing is the same thing. I believe you have to look at it on an individual basis here. What if I'm a wolf and placed a vote on GES in order to protect him because he's the void wolf? If that is true and I turned out to be a wolf you would ignore GES for the rest of the time, wolves win.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm more suspicious of him then anyone else. It also seems like EVERYONE has nagging, back of the mind suspicions about him. Stop telling yourselves its no big deal and check out why you're getting that vibe.

[Lewwyn]

Stop spamming, Lewwyn. It's not funny.

BTW I take offense to this. You said this after I posted 3 things. In each case I wasn't attempting to spam the thread, I was simply thinking of new things to say after I had posted something else. I don't control what other people post and I'm not trying to spam. There's no editing! I would have shoved at least 2 or 3 of those posts together. I would have edited this comment into the post above. I'm not trying to be funny by spamming. In essence, I take offense to the idea that you believe I'm not taking this game seriously.

Had to get that off my chest too.

[Jkaen]

From what I can see most people seem to think the wolves are Lewwyn, one of Me/Meiz and then a.n.other.

If thats a fair representation, then surely it is safer to go for the surer bet today, especially if he is the void wolf, than hang off a 50/60% bet

[Lewwyn]

From what I can see most people seem to think the wolves are Lewwyn, one of Me/Meiz and then a.n.other.

If thats a fair representation, then surely it is safer to go for the surer bet today, especially if he is the void wolf, than hang off a 50/60% bet

Jkaen, wasn't I a 7/10 on your suspect list? And hows that list working out again?

You guys have to see that right? Every one of his top suspects have been villagers. Are we really going to continue cooking out of a wolf's cookbook?

[Meiz]

Alright, not to seem like I'm wavering here (because I'm not) but does anyone believe in Lewwyn's innocence? Anyone at all? Does anyone think he should be spared in favor of someone else (from the general consensus it'd be looking like either Meiz or Jkaen)? I personally don't see any harm in keeping him alive one more day, unless of course he's the Void Wolf (which, ironically, would explain how hard he's fighting being lynched; of course, that can equally be explained by him being a Villager, as he claims).

How about Scooter instead of Lewwyn?

[Lewwyn]

How about Scooter instead of Lewwyn?

I don't really think Scooter's a wolf but I haven't really looked at him enough to be honest. Can I have the cliff notes on why he's suspicious?

[Meiz]

I don't really think Scooter's a wolf but I haven't really looked at him enough to be honest. Can I have the cliff notes on why he's suspicious?

I'm not planning to go for another crusade, but I get the strongest "deep-cover wolf" scent out of him. He's a skilled player, so you won't find him slipping and giving any concrete evidence of his wolfness.

General feeling, he does not seem to do his best to help the village to find wolves. He still keeps himself active enough to avoid suspicion.

My original post regarding scooter: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post124652
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post124693
He later launched a theory against Zakalwe (likely villager in my eyes) and Ichabod. We discussed with him about the "perfect" voting record, and I agree it's a little misleading statement. Let me explain what I mean by that.

Day 1 - Cull (MJW lynched), Day 2 - Selrahc (who was lynched), Day 3 - Jkaen (PB was lynched), Day 4 - F&I (MNG was lynched), Day 5 - Zakalwe (F&I was lynched), Day 6 - Rowain (who was lynched).

He does not commit to one target, every lynch has been for a different person, and very often for the person placed in 2nd or 3rd place. I personally get a feeling that he has crafted his votes to look good.

And for some bizarre reason the wolves have still not killed him at night, even while there has been generally very little suspicion towards him. For example, I would have assumed the wolves would have killed Scooter over Sandover, since Scooter is an ex-wolf, very skilled player, and Sandovers style tends to cause suspicion anyway.

[Jkaen]

Attack if you can't defend huh? Yes its been pointed out several times how poor my list was