October 27th, 2013, 18:13
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(October 27th, 2013, 17:20)retep Wrote: Krill the bans are: India, Inca, Pacal, Sury and Willen
Really? I counted a single vote to ban Sury, and 3-4 to ban Willem. I didn't check the others, but I have to ask for the vote tally which produces these results.
October 27th, 2013, 18:32
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I also didn't see a consensus on a Sury ban. Moreover, I don't believe that bans are set at this point with respect to civs, leaders, or wonders. I wanted to get serdoa's opinion for what he thought would be fair bans based on his map.
October 27th, 2013, 18:43
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Well, is simply makes no sense to ban Sury without also banning a whole bunch of strong financials other than Willem/Pacal. Either we ban only two uberleaders or we ban all high-tier leaders.
October 27th, 2013, 19:26
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Hmmm no I'm not counting again the votes, just no.
I see were this is going, this thread/pre-game is going to exploit in a couple of days and I would prefer no to waste my time those two days.
The problem right now is that everyone wants to play a different game so yeah lets not waste time here.
First let me said I want it to play another game, I definitely didn't want to organize anything as I don't have the energy, will or skill but since things are come this far lets talk seriously here.
This are the settings for this game.
Settings:
Game speed Normal
No elephants
No blockades
Everyone starts with scout
Barbs ON
Huts OFF
Events OFF
Corps on/off? OFF
Vassals on/off? OFF
Espionage? Passive Only
Tech trading? OFF
Method to pick civ/leader? Normal Snake Pick
Diplomacy? AI diplo
See the start before picking leader/civ YES
Bans? Nukes, India, Inca, Pacal, Willian.
Serdoa has offered to make the map so we will play on that. This is an idea of map:
1) Several continents, no one isolated.
2) Non-mirrored starts.
3) Due to 2: Balanced but I can't guarantee that one does not feel that the grass on the other pasture is greener.
3.1) Balanced meaning equal number of happy (but not necessarily the same), close approx. of one of copper, horse or iron - stone and marble completely random via random.org giving me a tile-number to put it and it be put on the nearest land-tile.
3.2) Check to have late game strategic resources available, but not necessarily next to your capital.
4) NO pre-placed improvements or similar stuff.
5) Relatively natural looking though I reserve the right that not all of the map will, if it is necessary for balance or simply makes for a more interesting (read strategic) game.
6) Circum-nav available.
Serdoa will set the difficulty depending on the wrap of the map.
About the pick order, at this point I will ask Krill to do it but he can't so I think that someone could ask Plako to do it, if he is to busy then we can ask Brick. I guess everyone will trust that none of then are going to scrub anyone on purpose.
This is it guys, this is the settings for PB16 now if you don't like it you can drop off the game. If there is not enough people to play then we call off this game and wait for another.
October 27th, 2013, 20:03
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Quote:Espionage? Passive Only
...this is unclear. Otherwise, I'm happy with these settings.
October 27th, 2013, 20:14
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No building spies, settling Great Spies.
October 27th, 2013, 20:28
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I vote for retep.
Noble Helium if you are going to cry about it you can trade with me in pick order.
October 27th, 2013, 20:34
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For what it's worth, I think it makes much more sense to use the order made by Serdoa than the order made by anyone else; he's making the map, why not just use that one? Frankly, I don't see why there should be any controversy, especially because the first order was made on the user's own initiative, not specifically by request.
That being said, I'm not fixated on it; I won't leave if we go with that order. For me personally it's a difference of 4th vs. 2nd, so I don't really mind either way. However, I think the correct decision would be to use Serdoa's, to avoid this continued controversy.
October 27th, 2013, 20:39
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(October 27th, 2013, 20:14)retep Wrote: No building spies, settling Great Spies.
Only settling? No golden ages or Scotland Yards?
EDIT: don't care what pick order is used, though I think that Noble is awesome.
October 27th, 2013, 20:45
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I'm 11 on both lists, let's just use Serdoa's because he is mapmaker.
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